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Indian Map is wrong #5177

Closed PadmarajBhat closed 1 year ago

PadmarajBhat commented 1 year ago

Kashmir map is not shown correctly. It is whole and sole part of India. Please correct the same. TheJammuNKashmir WrongKashmir

VIKTORVAV99 commented 1 year ago

@PadmarajBhat Thanks for reporting this. We'll look into it as soon as we can but in the meantime I have added the help wanted label if someone else wanted to take a crack at fixing it.

madsnedergaard commented 1 year ago

Thanks for raising this. Can you be more precise about what you think is wrong here, are you referring to AJK, Siachen Glacier (the empty spot on the map) or a third thing? :)

I have also tried overlaying our map on top of Google Maps to make it more easy to compare the two:

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PadmarajBhat commented 1 year ago

What is shown as part of Pakistan & China is part of India. When you hover over northern India, the Jammu & Kashmir portion is chopped. And furthermore, when hovered over pakistan it shows Kashmir part as the part of it...it is wrong. That's why I gave another image as in how it has to be reflected from google map. I am talking about boundaries here.

The Indian region occupied by Pak is Pok. The Indian region occupied by China is called COK. Those are occupied regions which does not mean it is their land. it should still be reflected as Indian.

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Thanks for raising this. Can you be more precise about what you think is wrong here, are you referring to Aksai Chin?

I have also tried overlaying our map on top of Google Maps to make it more easy to compare the two:

[image: Frame 1 (3)] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3296643/227357936-01287810-4df4-4216-9c70-504aacbfb768.png

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VIKTORVAV99 commented 1 year ago

What is shown as part of Pakistan & China is part of India. When you hover over northern India, the Jammu & Kashmir portion is chopped. And furthermore, when hovered over pakistan it shows Kashmir part as the part of it...it is wrong. That's why I gave another image as in how it has to be reflected from google map. I am talking about boundaries here. The Indian region occupied by Pak is Pok. The Indian region occupied by China is called COK. Those are occupied regions which does not mean it is their land. it should still be reflected as Indian.

As far as I can tell these borders are disputed which means that no matter what we do they will be "wrong" as we don't support "shared" areas. So I'm not sure if we want or even can proceed with this but I'll put it on the agenda for the next team meeting. However it can take a while until we have a solution but we'll provide an update when we do.

With that said it does seem to be a triangle of missing "space" that should be filled with but as far as I can tell that is also disputed borders so I don't know which country should fill it.

jarek commented 1 year ago

I don't think there is one "right" way to display these disputed borders.

Google Maps shows different borders depending where you're using it, to comply with local laws. Viewing it in Canada shows the border with several dashed lines indicating different claimed and actual borders, rather than one solid line:

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The empty triangle in the Electricity Maps view seems to correspond to the "disputed area" indicated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kashmir_Region_November_2019.jpg (source of that image is https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/kashmir.html which claims it is originally by the U.S. CIA). CIA's World Factbook https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/india/map has a map of India with borders in Kashmir area generally matching what Electricity Maps is showing.

jarek commented 1 year ago

On a more fundamental level, Electricity Maps map is intended to show the electrical reality as it exists on the ground, so the question is really which grids supply the electricity to areas in question and/or who reports the electricity generation there.

madsnedergaard commented 1 year ago

On a more fundamental level, Electricity Maps map is intended to show the electrical reality as it exists on the ground, so the question is really which grids supply the electricity to areas in question and/or who reports the electricity generation there.

Yes, exactly - the electric grid is our truth! 🙏
I haven't dived too deep into the research here, but as far as I can tell the grid in the disputed area between Pakistan and India is connected to the grid of Pakistan: https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/pakistan-ends-electricity-subsidy-for-people-of-pok20230201064020/

jarek commented 1 year ago

as far as I can tell the grid in the disputed area between Pakistan and India is connected to the grid of Pakistan: https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/pakistan-ends-electricity-subsidy-for-people-of-pok20230201064020/

That's about the part of the disputed area which is controlled by Pakistan.

"The disputed area between Pakistan and India" includes the Indian-controlled area, which Pakistan claims as their own. Hence no single "right" way.

PadmarajBhat commented 1 year ago

If both the parties claim the region then why are you supporting only one country ? At least, you could show the region of both the countries and not be biased to one.

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as far as I can tell the grid in the disputed area between Pakistan and India is connected to the grid of Pakistan: https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/pakistan-ends-electricity-subsidy-for-people-of-pok20230201064020/

That's about the part of the disputed area which is controlled by Pakistan.

"The disputed area between Pakistan and India" includes the Indian-controlled area, which Pakistan claims as their own. Hence no single "right" way.

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madsnedergaard commented 1 year ago

If both the parties claim the region then why are you supporting only one country ? At least, you could show the region of both the countries and not be biased to one.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, our map boundaries attempt to match the physical electricity grids across the globe. If you can link to a reputable source that indicates that our map boundaries does not match the reality of who supplies the electricity to a certain area, we'd be happy to improve the geometries.

Until then, I will close this issue as it we don't have the capacity to investigate this topic further - but feel free to reopen if you manage to find a good source :)