Open cassidyjames opened 6 years ago
I really recommend to change the shortcut as working in different languages gets much more convenient with a shortcut.
This is a big problem indeed, but "change one of conflicting shortcuts" is not an option - it's just avoiding and postproning general problem. If change layout
is bind to alt+shift, then it brokes every other shortcut wich starts with alt+shift, if you change it to something else, some other shortcuts will be broken. why windows, mac, gnome, kde etc can solve this problem and elementery can't?
Also on topic. alt+shift, alt+tab, alt+shift+tab is common across desktops and countries, why change defaults?
Most of all, why can't I map my own shortcut to switch layouts?
I assume this a problem somewhere where the shortcuts are detected and passed off. Maybe we are detecting alt
+shift
on keydown instead of keyup?
This is a very long standing issue in X itself, GNOME is almost certainly affected too.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865
I think our only option really is to bind the language switching shortcut to something that doesn't conflict. Which is easier said than done, since you could move it to Ctrl+Shift, but then Ctrl+Shift+Tab would stop working for switching tabs in a web browser. But a slightly less common conflict than Alt+Shift+Tab I would guess
Why not something that doesn't conflict at all, like Ctrl+Alt+L?
@lewisgoddard i, myself, would prefer AltGr to do so, but there are not any suitable options (or as you propose custom ctrl+alt+L. screenshot:
as I additionaly notice, you just cannot screenshot popup menu with PrtSc - it simply doesn't work.
I'm going to bump this to beta2 since it doesn't imply any string or UI changes
I'm going to drop this from beta2 since it seems discussion is still ongoing and an agreement hasn't yet been reached
How did other Distro's fix this?
@danrabbit @cassidyjames Maybe one of you (being the most public) could do a poll on Twitter and/or Reddit?
FYI: Gnome switches language input with Super+Space (and this cannot be changed btw). Alt+Shift is familiar to all my Windows colleagues.
And to @Philosoft - most desktops I used in recent years cannot take screenshots with open popup menus with simple PrtSc press - I always had to set a timer for such screenshots. What I'm saying is that this is by far not unique to elementary.
Windows uses Alt+Shift, but as @davidmhewitt it seems problematic to bind it to only modifier keys that are used in other shortcuts out of the box. GNOME uses Super+Space which we use for Applications Menu. It looks like macOS uses Ctrl+Space/Alt+Ctrl+Space to cycle in different directions: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/type-language-mac-input-sources-mchlp1406/mac
I'm going to propose we change the default key in elementary OS to not conflict with the Alt+Tab switcher. Any combination of only modifier keys (e.g. Alt, Ctrl, Shift, and Super) seems to be a bad idea as it will inevitably conflict with shortcuts in the system or in apps. Thus, Alt+Space seems like a sane option (which already exists in the options), or if possible, Ctrl+Space to at least match one other platform (macOS).
And remember, users can always change it to something that is more familiar/comfortable for them in System Settings → Keyboard.
Sounds like a sane change. I think Alt+Space is a good choice, personally.
I agree with alt+space, as ctrl+space is very popular with 3rd party launchers like Synapse, Kupfer, GNOME Do, and others (and I think some don't allow to change the combo).
I've not tried it but from some blog posts I read, it sounds like this issue has been fixed and that alt+shift+tab should now work?
Is there an update on this? It looks like @cassidyjames was proposing Alt+Space. Would a PR be welcome to implement this? As far as I can tell it should be a few lines in this repo? If that's the case I'm happy to open one (but if it's much more than that I'm afraid I may need help or to pass it off).
Our default "Switch layout" shortcut for switching between keyboard layouts is Alt+Shift, but that conflicts with and breaks Shift+Alt+Tab to switch windows backwards. We should disable or change this shortcut since we keep getting bugs about Shift+Alt+Tab being "broken".
Moved from https://github.com/elementary/gala/issues/18