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A plain-vanilla theme, best suited for building your site using Elementor plugin. This theme resets the environment and prepares it for smooth operation of Elementor.
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šŸ“£ Elementor Hello Theme v2.4 Beta 3 Release šŸ“£ #150

Closed shilo-ey closed 3 years ago

shilo-ey commented 3 years ago

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Beta 3 UPDATED - PLEASE READ BELOW!

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Hi Elementor Beta testers šŸ‘‹,

We introduced our Hello theme to provide web-creators with a conflict-free, and fast website creation process, coupled with Elementor of course.

As part of our mission to empower web creators and help all Elementor users create professional websites, we are adding a new header and footer functionality to Hello Theme that will allow our free users to create fully functional websites.

Up until today, web creators who use the free version of Elementor could not design and customize a header or edit a footer. Those days are over.

Now, users who use Elementor in combination with Hello theme now can do just that. Weā€™ve added additional design possibilities and control when using the Elementor Hello theme. Elementor users will be able to add a customized header and footer to their site faster than ever!

The addition of a header/functionality to Hello Theme will in no way impact Elementor Pro users or hurt the performance of the theme!

We invite you to test out the new Header & Footer design capabilities in Hello theme and share your thoughts about this new addition. Think we can make it better or have a suggestion for a different solution? We are open to feedback! Join the discussion and help us create the best possible header/footer experience for our free users.

Below are the main topics we will cover in this issue:

  1. Set your Header & Footer layouts
  2. Appearance modification options
  3. Effect on Hello Themeā€™s performance
  4. How will this impact new vs. existing sites?
  5. How does this work with Elementor Proā€™s Theme Builder?

Before you test, please make sure you are using Elementor v3.1.4, to access the Header and Footer design capabilities (it wonā€™t be available without it).

Introducing Hello Header & Footer: Design Headers & Footers For Your Sites

Hello

Up until now, web creators using the free version of Elementor were unable to create and customize their header and footer using the Hello theme and the free version of Elementor. Instead, they had to find other external solutions or deal with custom code.

The introduction of free header and footer customization will allow everyone using Elementor Site Settings to create a basic header and footer design for their site.

To enjoy this new functionality you will need to have downloaded Elementor 3.1.4 and have the Hello Theme 2.4.0 Beta installed and activated. These go hand-in-hand. Without using the Hello Theme you will not be able to create your header and footer. Letā€™s see what you can do!

Header & Footer Layouts

To choose a layout, navigate into your site settings. There, Youā€™ll be able to choose from three basic layouts for your header and footer.

In the header, you can choose between a Default, Inverted, and Centered layout. Each layout contains the site logo, a menu, and tagline which you can decide to show or hide.

Header layouts: Ā headers

In the footer, youā€™ll have the option to choose from the same layouts as the header. Your footer will also contain the site logo, menu, and copyright which you can choose to show or hide.

Footer layouts: footer

Please keep in mind that If you create a header and footer they will show on all pages, you cannot choose to display them only on specific pages, unless you change the page layout to Canvas.

Appearance modification options

In addition to choosing the layouts, you can make some appearance modifications to your header and footer. You can customize the width, background color, menu, appearance and style of each element.

Effect on Hello Themeā€™s performance

One of the biggest advantages of Hello Theme is that itā€™s very lightweight and we put a lot of effort into making sure it remains as such. We achieved this by writing the new functionalities to the Elementor plugin - thus minimizing any impact on the theme. Unless you choose to display the header and footer, the theme will not be affected in any way.

How will this impact new vs. existing sites?

All new sites will include the new header and footer functionalities. However, this new addition will not impact your existing sites until you opt-in via the Site Settings.

How this works with Elementor Proā€™s Theme Builder

Elementor pro users are welcome to use the new functionality but Elementor Proā€™s Theme builder already has the same capabilities and much, much more. We recommend that pro users keep using Theme Builder. Header and footer sections built using Theme Builder will override Hello Theme in case of a conflict, just like any theme-based header and footer.

Hereā€™s how it works:

  1. Download the ZIP file of Hello Elementor theme v2.4.0 from the link you can find here or in the section below.
  2. In WordPress go to Appearance > Themes > Add New > Upload Theme, select the theme file and activate it after you successfully installed it. Make sure you are using Elementor v3.1.4 or above
  3. Go to any page and edit it with Elementor
  4. Click on the Panel hamburger menu, and access the Site Settings
  5. Under the Theme Style section, you will see two new items: Header and Footer
  6. Choose either one and start customizing your layout, design, and structure
  7. Make sure nothing changed in an existing website
  8. Play around with the settings and make sure everything works as expected both on frontend, and in the Editor, in various web-browsers and breakpoints.

Additional notes:

How to Install the Beta Version

  1. Download Elementor Hello theme 2.4.0 from the following link
  2. Go to ā€œAppearanceā€ > ā€œThemesā€
  3. Click ā€œAdd Newā€ and ā€œUpload Themeā€
  4. Choose the Zip file you downloaded in step 1 and click ā€œInstall Nowā€
  5. If you already have a previous version of the theme, click ā€œReplace current with uploadedā€
  6. Activate the theme and try it out

Notes

For bugs and remarks, please reply with a comment on this issue here on GitHub. Please keep this related to the Current beta Only! any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue. Designated time for release: June 29, 2021 (Estimated)

Many thanks for your support and help!

Cheers, Elementor Team

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avivu commented 3 years ago

Hello All,

We just released a new beta version (beta 2).

First, I would like to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions. We took the time to rethink this feature based on the feedback you shared and made some changes accordingly.

Letā€™s start with the why: Your concerns about the performance of Hello theme are valid, and we want to emphasize that this is not an ongoing process or change that is coming to this theme. This is STILL a plain theme.

Hello theme should handle all site aspects only to the ones who want to use Elementor (free version) to create a fully functional site, therefore we modified the new Header and Footer feature to be less intrusive by marking it as an Experiment in Elementorā€™s Experiments screen (Elementor > Settings > Experiments).

This way, existing sites wonā€™t get affected, and you will need to opt-in to this feature if needed. Donā€™t want to use it? nothing will change and you will be able to keep working on a plain vanilla theme without extra functionality that is being loaded.

We believe that many of our users will benefit from this new functionality - create a complete website using Elementor. Note that this change will not affect you, our Pro users, because just like any other theme that registers a header - it wonā€™t be active if you use the Theme Builder features.

We invite you to test out the new version and share your thoughts about the latest changes:

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thank you! Looking forward to your feedback.

fabigrafo commented 3 years ago

Hello All,

We just released a new beta version (beta 2).

First, I would like to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions. We took the time to rethink this feature based on the feedback you shared and made some changes accordingly.

Letā€™s start with the why: Your concerns about the performance of Hello theme are valid, and we want to emphasize that this is not an ongoing process or change that is coming to this theme. This is STILL a plain theme.

Hello theme should handle all site aspects only to the ones who want to use Elementor (free version) to create a fully functional site, therefore we modified the new Header and Footer feature to be less intrusive by marking it as an Experiment in Elementorā€™s Experiments screen (Elementor > Settings > Experiments).

This way, existing sites wonā€™t get affected, and you will need to opt-in to this feature if needed. Donā€™t want to use it? nothing will change and you will be able to keep working on a plain vanilla theme without extra functionality that is being loaded.

We believe that many of our users will benefit from this new functionality - create a complete website using Elementor. Note that this change will not affect you, our Pro users, because just like any other theme that registers a header - it wonā€™t be active if you use the Theme Builder features.

We invite you to test out the new version and share your thoughts about the latest changes:

  • Tweak: Added Hello theme Header and footer as an Elementor Experiment
  • Fix: Layout glitch in header mobile menu
  • Fix: Layout is not consistent with sections in Header and Footer
  • Fix: Missing max-width to the toggle holder
  • Fix: Missing content width control in header when layout set to center
  • Fix: Footer on a tablet device is not full width when set to full width
  • Fix: The header menu disappears on tablet device when breakpoint set to Mobile(<768px)
  • Fix: Footer copyright text not changed in the editor in live editing
  • Fix: Header & Footer appear in Customize when the Experiment is inactive
  • FIx: Horizontal and Dropdown menu appears at the same time when switching between them in edit mode

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thank you! Looking forward to your feedback.

I think it's a good compromise. For the future, it would be nice to find another solution to enable or disable certain functions of Elementor (widgets) or the theme.

The list of experiments is slowly getting long and confusing.

79ho3ein commented 3 years ago

hi @avivu When will the official version be released? Has the new version worked on optimizing the code?

d19dotca commented 3 years ago

I think it's a good compromise. For the future, it would be nice to find another solution to enable or disable certain functions of Elementor (widgets) or the theme. Maybe like this

The list of experiments is slowly getting long and confusing.

Agreed! The experiment list is long now and the whole premise of experiments is that they're temporary (they'll eventually move into a fully-baked feature or be removed), so once it is promoted to a fully-baked feature then what is the situation there for those who wanted it off, for example? Hopefully that will be thought of too.

Thank you for listening to our feedback though and rethinking your approach. We appreciate it! šŸ˜ƒ

fxaviers commented 3 years ago

This is STILL a plain theme.

Maybe it's a confusion of words on my part (since I'm not native), but if I'm right, this "STILL" makes me slightly worried.

At the moment it's a plain vanilla theme, but what we're all looking for with Hello Theme is that it's ALWAYS a vanilla theme. Just as little as possible, lighter, simpler, minimal.

As others have said above, experiments aren't forever and sometimes it will be built in natively, everything we don't want when using Hello Theme.

Need to add more features? Make a new theme, and each one uses what is best for their reality.

avivu commented 3 years ago

@fabianenzensperger - Thank you! We will address the Experiments screen and try to find a good solution to all sides.

@79ho3ein - Offical release should be in two weeks. Stay tuned for more updates later on :)

@d19dotca - As mentioned above, we will try to find a solution for the Experiments screen. Regarding the Hello Theme - don't worry; we will not change the new behavior. Thanks!

@fxaviers - We also want and will keep Hello Theme as light as possible, and it's not going to be an ongoing process of adding features to the theme. We will consider your other suggestions.

Thank you all! :)

79ho3ein commented 3 years ago

@79ho3ein - Offical release should be in two weeks. Stay tuned for more updates later on :)

Thank you for your efforts. Good luck.

79ho3ein commented 3 years ago

hi @avivu I use hello theme to design my projects. But there is a problem with most plugins, especially crocoblock plugins. All clickable elements (with link) Once clicked, they have an outline. I will show you this problem below : Before clicking : https://prnt.sc/15ubgez That is not a problem After clicking : https://prnt.sc/15ubjv8 After clicking, a black border appears.

I did not see this problem in other formats.I contacted crocoblock support, they said there was a problem with the theme. And must be solved by the theme developers. This problem with the code: outline: none; Is solved, but The number of these cases is so large that it is very time consuming to code for each of them. Please fix this problem in future update if possible.

thanks you.

avivu commented 3 years ago

Hi @79ho3ein Thank you for the input; we will take a look and examine this issue, but first, please open a new issue that is not related to the current beta thread, so it won't get lost once the beta issue is closed.

Thank you!

avivu commented 3 years ago

Hey all, We just released a new beta version; please update your version to v2.4.0 Beta 3.

Please note that this beta version is our release candidate that supposed to be released by 29/06/2021.

This beta release includes:

Please keep all comments related to the current beta only! For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue.

Thanks again to everyone!

fabigrafo commented 3 years ago

@avivu Unfortunately, I still don't understand the meaning behind this new "feature" from the Hello Theme. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me why Elementor spends time and money developing such useless things.

There is not a single person I have read here or elsewhere that this feature is needed. Rather the opposite, it will be very much wondered what has ridden you.

Unfortunately, at a meeting with the chief developers @shilo-ey and @Dor_s , I forgot to ask what must have happened to make you think this function could be useful. I just do not understand.

Now we have a new update in a few days that I won't even begin to install. It then buzzes around in the experiments, everyone will wonder what this is about and hardly anyone will use it. And if a free user user should, he will feel ripped off because you are very limited.

And doesn't Elementor want to be exactly the opposite? Unlimited?

Why not perfect a function (theme builder and the nav menu widgets including more sticky options) instead of bringing up a mess that just takes extra work and annoyances?

Just wanted to share my thoughts on it again. Me and there I speak I think for everyone, don't want a Hello Theme that has (unnecessary) functions. For my part, fix the requests that are listed as an issue, but please let go of that.

And I'm really sorry that I'm so hard. But this really annoys me. I've been looking so long for a theme that can't do anything and that performs well. It may still be afterwards, but it won't feel like that anymore.

If I get an answer to these concerns here, please answer me in detail and don't avoid any sentences. I want to understand. And please don't say it might be useful. That's not true.

matheuscardosodesigner commented 3 years ago

I still don't understand how everyone can't see a clear use for this. I confess, I am a heavyuser of Elementor Free, and I always look for external extensions when I want to create a header for my clients. I create basic sites, which are not worth using Elementor Pro in my country, $49 = R$242.98, which becomes totally unfeasible in some cases where I charge R$500.00 per site.

But back to functionality. It's simple, most themes already come with this function, what's the problem with hello that it's the best theme there is to have one?

+1 for the feature.

fxaviers commented 3 years ago

It's simple, most themes already come with this function

For a very simple reason, Hello Theme was created to be as simple as possible. If you want to change header and footer, look for another theme. Changing this principle midway is counterproductive.

I completely understand your point, our currency is very undervalued, but that is no reason to implement the function in the theme.

Elsteck commented 3 years ago

what's the problem with hello that it's the best theme there is to have one

Hello is not the best theme to work with Elementor Free. Introducing basic, very basic header and footer feature does not make it the perfect fit that it is with Elementor Pro. All the controls are missing, the single and archive look like crap. When you want a great theme for Elementor Free then best go with a high featured one like Blocksy.

The best theme for Elementor Pro was Hello, it was never meant to be used with Free and adding this header/footer is so fundamentally wrong. The same goes for the Experiments solution. That was meant for new features that when fully ironed out would move out of experiments into the core. All this is incomprohensible.

d19dotca commented 3 years ago

The Elementor team find this video (from WPTuts) worth a watch as it does a decent job at explaining the concerns listed out earlier: https://youtu.be/UJk6s2B-bWs

More specifically the comments on the video which many echo ours in this beta thread.

awakekat commented 3 years ago

Please start another theme and name it something else and leave Hello for the developers to do what they want with nothing to slow them down. PLEASE!!

alexcumbers commented 3 years ago

Can you please check / advise the Beta 3 link ASAP? It still points to Beta 1 ! https://github.com/elementor/hello-theme/files/6166057/hello-theme.zip Beta 1 is not compatible with Elementor 3.2.x thanks

shilo-ey commented 3 years ago

@avivu Unfortunately, I still don't understand the meaning behind this new "feature" from the Hello Theme. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me why Elementor spends time and money developing such useless things.

There is not a single person I have read here or elsewhere that this feature is needed. Rather the opposite, it will be very much wondered what has ridden you.

Unfortunately, at a meeting with the chief developers @shilo-ey and @Dor_s , I forgot to ask what must have happened to make you think this function could be useful. I just do not understand.

Now we have a new update in a few days that I won't even begin to install. It then buzzes around in the experiments, everyone will wonder what this is about and hardly anyone will use it. And if a free user user should, he will feel ripped off because you are very limited.

And doesn't Elementor want to be exactly the opposite? Unlimited?

Why not perfect a function (theme builder and the nav menu widgets including more sticky options) instead of bringing up a mess that just takes extra work and annoyances?

Just wanted to share my thoughts on it again. Me and there I speak I think for everyone, don't want a Hello Theme that has (unnecessary) functions. For my part, fix the requests that are listed as an issue, but please let go of that.

And I'm really sorry that I'm so hard. But this really annoys me. I've been looking so long for a theme that can't do anything and that performs well. It may still be afterwards, but it won't feel like that anymore.

If I get an answer to these concerns here, please answer me in detail and don't avoid any sentences. I want to understand. And please don't say it might be useful. That's not true.

Hey @fabianenzensperger ,

Thank you for your sincere feedback.

We DO want to allow unlimited capabilities to everyone, even if they are not our Pro users, In addition, we want to provide our users with free template Kits, which now can be found in beta 3.3.0.

This will allow users who want to - to create a full website without paying anything and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

Can you please check / advise the Beta 3 link ASAP? It still points to Beta 1 ! elementor/hello-theme/files/6166057/hello-theme.zip Beta 1 is not compatible with Elementor 3.2.x thanks

Thanks, link updated >> Download now

Thanks

hitsgee commented 3 years ago

It's quite clear that on here and on Hello Git no developer is wanting this functionality!

As you guys insist on including it why not add it as a standalone plugin to extend Hello & Elementor Free?

You could then just add a simple message system to the hello theme such as:

This way you can easily do updates to the header & builder, track usage and downloads and provide dedicated support etc via WordPress Plugins portal.

I am sure anyone using free will not mind an extra plugin as if you are using pro you need pro as an extra anyway.

Most serious developers anyway modify Hello to their needs and this would reduce the updates to the theme to actually only be core updates.

Not rocket science, but would keep all of your developers happy!

d19dotca commented 3 years ago

This will allow users who want to - to create a full website without paying anything and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

Doesn't this kind of devalue Elementor Pro though if features that were generally Pro-only are being released (even if limited) to everybody using the free version?

79ho3ein commented 3 years ago

My friends, I did not understand what you meant. That is, the hello template becomes a professional and non-free version? Can you explain? thank you

avivu commented 3 years ago

Hello All, After a long period of beta and optimizations, we just released Hello Theme v2.4.0.

We want to thank all of you for your comments and suggestions. Our main focus in this version is to allow every user who wants to, to create a fully functioning website using the free version of Elementor, and still keep the simplicity of Elementor and Hello Theme.

As you know, we are marking this feature as an Experiment - this way, existing sites wonā€™t get affected, and you will need to manually opt-in to this feature.

For any other issue or feature request, feel free to open a new issue. Thank you!