unique translation(s) on a particular Strong's number

[eliranwong]

@darrelwright I created this issue for you.

First, I would like to know if I understand correctly what you ask for. From what you wrote, I understand that you want to key in a Strong's number for a search and you expect result is a list of unique translations corresponding to the Strong's number, right?

If so, @otseng shares similar or same interest as you. He would like to see how a particular Hebrew / Greek word is translated in an individual translations, e.g. KJV, NIV. He has a plan to do it in the future.

Meanwhile, below could be a quick solution for you. For now, UBA can search for unique translations on a particular Strong's number based on OHGB database.

To taste it, open your linux terminal, go to your UniqueBible installation folder (e.g. below is an example on my laptop, I install UBA in Home folder:

cd ~/UniqueBible

sqlite3 marvelData/morphology.sqlite "SELECT DISTINCT Interlinear FROM morphology WHERE LexicalEntry LIKE '%G1510,%'"

check the result from the terminal. If this is what you want, I can do a shortcut command for you in UBA to display unique translation based on OHGB

Remarks: That's may be a bit different from @otseng is thinking about, as he want to search on individual translations. The above search is based only on OHGB database.

[darrelwright]

No, I want to key in a Strong's number and the word I am looking for, and have UBA return the matching verses, just like I showed in the SQL query.

On 2/18/21 2:51 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

@darrelwright https://github.com/darrelwright I created this issue for you.

First, I would like to know if I understand correctly what you ask for. From what you wrote, I understand that you want to key in a Strong's number for a search and you expect result is a list of unique translations corresponding to the Strong's number, right?

If so, @otseng https://github.com/otseng shares similar or same interest as you. He would like to see how a particular Hebrew / Greek word is translated in an individual translations, e.g. KJV, NIV. He has a plan to do it in the future.

Meanwhile, below could be a quick solution for you. For now, UBA can search for unique translations on a particular Strong's number based on OHGB database.

To taste it, open your linux terminal, go to your UniqueBible installation folder (e.g. below is an example on my laptop, I install UBA in Home folder:

cd ~/UniqueBible

sqlite3 marvelData/morphology.sqlite "SELECT DISTINCT Interlinear
FROM morphology WHERE LexicalEntry LIKE '%G1510,%'"

check the result from the terminal. If this is what you want, I can do a shortcut command for you in UBA to display unique translation based on OHGB

Remarks: That's may be a bit different from @otseng https://github.com/otseng is thinking about, as he want to search on individual translations. The above search is based only on OHGB database.

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[eliranwong]

you wrote ", just like I showed in the SQL query."

can you give me a screenshot. I am afraid I haven't fully understand what you want. please bear with me, give me an example here to help me understand. I didn't see an example you mentioned. thanks.

[eliranwong]

No, I want to key in a Strong's number and the word I am looking for, and have UBA return the matching verses, just like I showed in the SQL query. … On 2/18/21 2:51 PM, Eliran Wong wrote: @darrelwright https://github.com/darrelwright I created this issue for you. First, I would like to know if I understand correctly what you ask for. From what you wrote, I understand that you want to key in a Strong's number for a search and you expect result is a list of unique translations corresponding to the Strong's number, right? If so, @otseng https://github.com/otseng shares similar or same interest as you. He would like to see how a particular Hebrew / Greek word is translated in an individual translations, e.g. KJV, NIV. He has a plan to do it in the future. Meanwhile, below could be a quick solution for you. For now, UBA can search for unique translations on a particular Strong's number based on OHGB database. To taste it, open your linux terminal, go to your UniqueBible installation folder (e.g. below is an example on my laptop, I install UBA in Home folder: cd ~/UniqueBible sqlite3 marvelData/morphology.sqlite "SELECT DISTINCT Interlinear FROM morphology WHERE LexicalEntry LIKE '%G1510,%'" check the result from the terminal. If this is what you want, I can do a shortcut command for you in UBA to display unique translation based on OHGB Remarks: That's may be a bit different from @otseng https://github.com/otseng is thinking about, as he want to search on individual translations. The above search is based only on OHGB database. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#157>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACXXZXFZWZZWSS6KL5ALK6DS7WKV5ANCNFSM4X3JAQRQ.

I think I understand now. it is actually easy. let me reply you when I use laptop.

[eliranwong]

@darrelwright please check the screenshot below and see if this is what you want. In this screenshot, I highlight "beginning G746" right click and search KJVx, the result showing G746 only with translation "beginning".

[darrelwright]

this is looking pretty good, although it is a little difficult to read the study window. Can you send me the KJVx so I can play and test?

On 2/18/21 3:23 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

@darrelwright https://github.com/darrelwright please check the screenshot below and see if this is what you want. In this screenshot, I highlight "beginning G746" right click and search KJVx, the result showing G746 only with translation "beginning".

Screenshot 2021-02-18 at 11 20 18 PM https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/25262722/108434842-36ee6a80-7240-11eb-94ac-a7c777b4412a.png

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[eliranwong]

I uploaded here for your convenience.

[Uploading KJVx.zip…]()

[darrelwright]

Here is a snapshot of what I do in theWord as an example

On 2/18/21 3:23 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

@darrelwright https://github.com/darrelwright please check the screenshot below and see if this is what you want. In this screenshot, I highlight "beginning G746" right click and search KJVx, the result showing G746 only with translation "beginning".

Screenshot 2021-02-18 at 11 20 18 PM https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/25262722/108434842-36ee6a80-7240-11eb-94ac-a7c777b4412a.png

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[darrelwright]

I may be doing something wrong. I do not see the uploaded file, and when I click on the link in email I am not getting anything.

On 2/18/21 3:47 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

I uploaded here for your convenience.

Uploading KJVx.zip…

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[eliranwong]

download directly from the issue post at githib, not from notification email

[darrelwright]

okay, I just semt you an email.

I am sorry. When I click the "Uploading KJVx.zip" it does not download anything, nor give me any options to download that I can see....

On 2/18/21 4:09 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

download directly from the issue post at githib, not from notification email

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[darrelwright]

Eliran this is a lot closer to what I am looking for (maybe very close but need to play a bit more). The attached screen shot shows my search expression and the returned results

On 2/18/21 3:47 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

I uploaded here for your convenience.

Uploading KJVx.zip…

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[darrelwright]

The KJVx works in both plain and formatted modes. Is there any chance of this being carried over to the other Bibles?

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I uploaded here for your convenience.

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[eliranwong]

Eliran this is a lot closer to what I am looking for (maybe very close but need to play a bit more). The attached screen shot shows my search expression and the returned results … On 2/18/21 3:47 PM, Eliran Wong wrote: I uploaded here for your convenience. Uploading KJVx.zip… — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#157 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACXXZXHLQ7C6WHT2FG6CVL3S7WRIVANCNFSM4X3JAQRQ.

@darrelwright You mentioned several times you have screenshots, but I haven't seen it. I guess you mean you attached to email, but unfortunately I cannot see here. please use github page rather than email to post screenshot.

[eliranwong]

The KJVx works in both plain and formatted modes. Is there any chance of this being carried over to the other Bibles?

can you elaborate more "over to the other Bibles?" I do not understand this.

[darrelwright]

I like what is done for the KJVx and would like to do the same type of searches in the formatted bibles (BIB, etc). Is that possible?

On 2/19/21 1:57 AM, Eliran Wong wrote:

The KJVx works in both plain and formatted modes. Is there any
chance of this being carried over to the other Bibles?

can you elaborate more "over to the other Bibles?" I do not understand this.

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[darrelwright]

If it is ok, I will provide screen shots a bit later. Need to go to bed now. I have been playing with the KJVx quite a bit and it appears to be doing what I've been asking for. Thanks!

On 2/19/21 1:56 AM, Eliran Wong wrote:

Eliran this is a lot closer to what I am looking for (maybe very
close but need to play a bit more). The attached screen shot shows
my search expression and the returned results
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@darrelwright https://github.com/darrelwright You mentioned several times you have screenshots, but I haven't seen it. I guess you mean you attached to email, but unfortunately I cannot see here. please use github page rather than email to post screenshot.

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[darrelwright]

I can do searching in KJVx for Strong's numbers and a particular word, but when I try the same in MIB it doe not work. I enter a search string of "Scripture LIKE '%G1510%' AND Scripture LIKE '%are%'" (no quotes) and it returns no matches. But if I change the search bible to KJVx it returns 19 verses. That's what I mean by can other bibles be modified to work like the KJVx bible. Make sense?

On 2/19/21 1:57 AM, Eliran Wong wrote:

The KJVx works in both plain and formatted modes. Is there any
chance of this being carried over to the other Bibles?

can you elaborate more "over to the other Bibles?" I do not understand this.

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[eliranwong]

I like what is done for the KJVx and would like to do the same type of searches in the formatted bibles (BIB, etc). Is that possible? … On 2/19/21 1:57 AM, Eliran Wong wrote: The KJVx works in both plain and formatted modes. Is there any chance of this being carried over to the other Bibles? can you elaborate more "over to the other Bibles?" I do not understand this. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#157 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACXXZXFOUFAKET6NQGWNG5LS7YYZRANCNFSM4X3JAQRQ.

2 things:

1) You can search for a Strong number from a bible module ONLY if that module contains Strong number

2) even a bible module does not have Strong's number, verese from this bible module could be fetched and displayed in parallel with search results of searching a Strong number bible. This is one of unique features of UBA.

for example, you now have KJVx, you can search for a Strong number in it, but the BIB you now have does not have a Strong number. simple set BIB as your favorite bible, select the config flag "addFavouriteToMultiRef". When you search KJVx, verses from BIB will be fetched for display too.

remarks: searching Strong's number from a translation is not reliable in terms of occurrence, because the occurrence generally reflect how translator translate the text. Strong's number occurrence in a translation generally does not match the actual occurrence of Hebrew/Greek word in the original text. To get a more reliable result, better search Hebrew/Greek bible, and fetched parallel results from translation. just a suggestion. you don't have to follow.

[darrelwright]

Ah, so we're saying that none of the formatted bibles have Strong's numbers, that the Strong's numbers that show in the MIB and others are lookups and not actually part of the bible? I understand now. Thanks!

On 2/19/21 3:56 AM, Eliran Wong wrote:

I like what is done for the KJVx and would like to do the same
type of searches in the formatted bibles (BIB, etc). Is that possible?
… <#>
On 2/19/21 1:57 AM, Eliran Wong wrote: The KJVx works in both
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2 things:

1.

You can search for a Strong number from a bible module ONLY if
that module contains Strong number

2.

even a bible module does not have Strong's number, verese from
this bible module could be fetched and displayed in parallel with
search results of searching a Strong number bible. This is one of
unique features of UBA.

for example,

remarks: Strong's number

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[eliranwong]

Ah, so we're saying that none of the formatted bibles have Strong's numbers, that the Strong's numbers that show in the MIB and others are lookups and not actually part of the bible? I understand now. Thanks!

I think you misunderstood partly what I said. Searching lexical entry in MIB is more accurate than searching a Strong number in a translation in terms of occurrence. You wrote " none of the formatted bibles have Strong's numbers, that the Strong's numbers that show in the MIB and others are lookups and not actually part of the bible" , I am not sure why you have this conclusion. I do not agree on this. anyway, it is okay if KJVx suit your needs

[eliranwong]

Please keep this issue discussing "unique translation(s) on a particular Strong's number". I think it would be a very helpful addition. I am excited that @otseng has a plan to do that.

Let's discuss other issues in separate posts. I will work on a separate issue doing searching translation in combination with selective morphology at https://github.com/eliranwong/UniqueBible/issues/165.

[darrelwright]

I think we are still having trouble understanding each other. I have a workable method based on the KJVx and other Strong-enabled bibles that allows me to search for specific Strong numbers and a particular word, and return only those verses containing those two items. I do like being part of the discussion, but I don't want to fight emotions between us.

On 2/19/21 11:35 PM, Eliran Wong wrote:

Ah, so we're saying that none of the formatted bibles have
Strong's numbers, that the Strong's numbers that show in the MIB
and others are lookups and not actually part of the bible? I
understand now. Thanks!
… <#>
On 2/19/21 3:56 AM, Eliran Wong wrote: I like what is done for the
KJVx and would like to do the same type of searches in the
formatted bibles (BIB, etc). Is that possible? … <#> On 2/19/21
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2 things: 1. You can search for a Strong number from a bible
module ONLY if that module contains Strong number 2. even a bible
module does not have Strong's number, verese from this bible
module could be fetched and displayed in parallel with search
results of searching a Strong number bible. This is one of unique
features of UBA. for example, remarks: Strong's number — You are
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I think you misunderstood partly what I said. Searching lexical entry in MIB is more accurate than searching a Strong number in a translation.

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[eliranwong]

I think we are still having trouble understanding each other. I have a workable method based on the KJVx and other Strong-enabled bibles that allows me to search for specific Strong numbers and a particular word, and return only those verses containing those two items. I do like being part of the discussion, but I don't want to fight emotions between us.

I am happy you found the workable method you need. I am sorry if you have hard feelings.

[darrelwright]

Eliran, I don't have hard feelings. Matter of fact I enjoy working with you. I think we might have a bit of difficulty understanding each other, and I want to not have that. I am impressed with the work you have done, and this thing with retrieving verses for specific Strong's numbers and a given word (the TR function from theWord) was one of the big things holding me to TW. I am enjoying working with UBA and you!:-)

On 2/20/21 12:30 AM, Eliran Wong wrote:

I think we are still having trouble understanding each other. I
have a workable method based on the KJVx and other Strong-enabled
bibles that allows me to search for specific Strong numbers and a
particular word, and return only those verses containing those two
items. I do like being part of the discussion, but I don't want to
fight emotions between us.

I am happy you found the workable method you need. I am sorry if you have hard feelings.

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[eliranwong]

it is ok, just a reminder here: if you want to search other Strong number bible like you can now do with KJVx, select import option "Allow search for Strong's numbers" for other Strong number bible

to get an overview of how interlinear translate a particular Hebrew / Greek word in OHGB database, run command, e.g. INTERLINEAR:::G746

one more thing, UBA is no longer developed by me alone, @otseng joined the team and advance the app a lot. He deserves the credit too.

[eliranwong]

okay, added morphology-translation combination search in version 21.53. wiki page: https://github.com/eliranwong/UniqueBible/wiki/Search-morphology

@otseng is that what you look for?

[otseng]

This will meet what I'm looking for.