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ESP8266 firmware to read and control EMS and Heatronic compatible equipment such as boilers, thermostats, solar modules, and heat pumps
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How can I trigger the thermostat set message on Heatronics 3? #138

Closed Vuego123 closed 3 years ago

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

I want to add support for writing to the thermostat Junkers FW100 (e.g. change the room setpoint temperature), but I cannot find the telegram type that is used to write to the thermostat.

When I change the temperature on the thermostat device and monitor the ems bus, I don't see any write message. I only see the next broadcasted status message with the new temperature. I suppose that is normal because the thermostat does not send a write telegram to itself.

Any idea how I can find this?

proddy commented 5 years ago

That's correct, you won't see any telegrams when manually changing the temperature on the thermostat. The best way is to look at the hometop project, specifically this file https://github.com/norberts1/hometop_HT3/blob/master/HT3/sw/lib/ht_discode.py to figure out the telegram format.

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

I don't see are any write examples in that project. I think they only read?

proddy commented 5 years ago

it does support writing too. It's mentioned on https://github.com/norberts1/hometop_HT3. The code is quite complex and hard to read and not very modular. I gave up trying to understand it!

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

Same here, I've spent 2 hours looking at the code, but the most crucial things I want to know remain a mystery so far... But I'm not giving up yet. ;-)

Another strategy, I have a second thermostat that is not used. Can I connect 2 thermostats (Junkers FW100 and Junkers FW200) on 1 EMS bus? Will it it work and will thermostat 1 write to thermostat 2 when I update the room temp setpoint on thermostat 1?

proddy commented 5 years ago

I'm not sure the EMS can provide enough power (amps) to both thermostats but you could try. It'll be interesting to see if they have different unique identifiers. We should be able to work it out from the HT3 code - I just need the time!

moustic999 commented 5 years ago

in hometop project, write to the bus is done in https://github.com/norberts1/hometop_HT3/blob/master/HT3/sw/lib/ht_yanetcom.py I will check this code to see what we can reuse. especially messages . that's not so easy as it convert everything to decimal.

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

@moustic999 indeed, yesterday I discovered that file as well and also an overview here in html: https://github.com/norberts1/hometop_HT3/blob/master/HT3/sw/etc/html/HT3-Bus_Telegramme.html

For my FW100 thermostat the message id should be 357

I think I understand how they send messages to change the temperaure, but it's not working for my FW100 (yet). I would expect that the following message:

B8 10 FF 10 00 65 24

sets the temp for the "sparen" mode to 18°c

but no luck yet.

moustic999 commented 5 years ago

Sorry, I made a mistake you are right op code is FF xx 00 65 let me continue checking against the value to be send I would propose to first try to switch the mode as it is simpler than setting temp , which is mode dependant

moustic999 commented 5 years ago

Can you describe your installation ? do you have any others controller ? CRxxx or something else ?

I see very strange behavior in the code. regarding destination 0x10 and 0x18 do you have the 2 ?

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

My setup:

So no CRxxx device.

The code makes a difference between heatronic 3bus system ( thermostat has id 0x10) and EMS bus system ( thermostat has id 0x18).

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

Hello,

I have a Junker FW120 Thermostat and I was looking to write on it like you. Thanks of all provided information, I was able to change the mode using the following command : send 8B 10 FF 0E 00 65 02 (economic mode) 🎆

I am now trying to change the temperature.

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

Good new, I was able to change tempearture levels using following commands : 

# Change economic temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 10 00 65 14

# Change frost protection temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 0F 00 65 14

# Change comfort temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 11 00 65 14

Now I have to take a look at the code for implementing it.

proddy commented 5 years ago

@Neonox31 I can help with the implementation if needed

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

I tested the examples and they all work for my Junkers FW100 as well. @proddy I can try to implement and test this. Ok to send you a pull request when I'm ready?

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

@proddy Thanks for your proposal 👍

@Vuego123 Let me know if you open a PR because I plan to do one too.

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

I don't know why but sometimes the new setted temperature is not considered by the thermostat. I have to investiguate on this, if someone has any clue...

proddy commented 5 years ago

there was a similar report with the RC35 when setting the set point temp in day mode, it wouldn't show up. Is this similar to what you're seeing?

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

@Neonox31 I'm working on a first version, but there are more things I need to adapt than anticipated. It might take some time.

@proddy : is it possible that the "_ems_sendTelegram()" has never been used for EMS+ telegrams? I see a test that will never work:

// complete the rest of the header depending on EMS or EMS: if (EMS_TxTelegram.type > 0xFF) { ...

But EMS+ markers are 0xFF, 0xF7 or 0xF9. None of them are bigger than 0xFF.

Secondly, the "ems_parseTelegram()" uses a completer check to decide if it is EMS+ or not: // determing if its normal ems or ems plus, check for marker if (telegram[2] >= 0xF0) { // its EMS plus / EMS 2.0 EMS_RxTelegram.emsplus = true; EMS_RxTelegram.emsplus_type = telegram[2]; // 0xFF, 0xF7 or 0xF9

So unless sending EMS+ messages has been reported as working, I will fix that part as well by aligning the logic with "ems_parseTelegram()".

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

@Neonox31 : Intermediate progress: https://github.com/Vuego123/EMS-ESP/tree/Write-to-FW100-/-FW120

Contains support for changing the thermostat mode and improved logic for sending EMS+ messages. Not tested yet at this moment.

When it is tested I will do a pull request.

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

Ok thanks for the link.

Here is mine also WIP : https://gitlab.com/neonox31/boiler/merge_requests/4/diffs

proddy commented 5 years ago

@Vuego123 @Neonox31 I could also create a special branch in EMS-ESP and add you both as collaborators?

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

there was a similar report with the RC35 when setting the set point temp in day mode, it wouldn't show up. Is this similar to what you're seeing?

@proddy I forgot to answer your question, it is not similar because the temperature never change on both physical thermostant and telnet as if the telegram has never sent.

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

It could be a good idea to create a dedicated branch :+1: , but before I would like to solve the problem with the temperature.

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

It's still a mystery !

(01:43:32.614) Sending raw: 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28 (CRC=BF) #data=100
(01:43:32.631) 0x0D -> Thermostat, type 0x0065, telegram: 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28 (CRC=BF) #data=1
(01:43:32.911) Thermostat -> Boiler, type 0x16, telegram: 90 88 16 00 02 (CRC=AF) #data=1
(01:43:32.933) Boiler -> Thermostat, type 0x16, telegram: 88 10 16 00 FF 46 (CRC=98) #data=2
(01:43:33.065) Thermostat -> all, type 0x006F, telegram: 90 00 FF 00 00 6F 01 01 00 BE 00 EE F3 34 00 (CRC=43) #data=9
Publishing boiler data via MQTT
Publishing hot water and heating states via MQTT
Publishing thermostat data via MQTT
send 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28

(01:43:41.851) Sending raw: 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28 (CRC=BF) #data=48
(01:43:41.868) 0x0D -> Thermostat, type 0x0065, telegram: 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28 (CRC=BF) #data=1
(01:43:42.297) Thermostat -> all, type 0x0065, telegram: 90 00 FF 00 00 65 01 00 04 19 30 41 07 01 00 03 FF 2A 06 01 01 28 28 28 03 01 00 (CRC=25) #data=21
(01:43:42.610) Thermostat -> all, type 0x006F, telegram: 90 00 FF 00 00 6F 01 01 00 C8 00 EE F3 34 00 (CRC=1D) #data=9
Publishing hot water and heating states via MQTT
Publishing thermostat data via MQTT

The first telegram sent fails and the second passes with exactly the same command. I think the thermostat doesn't manage well rx telegrams and forgets some.

The most curious is that using change mode command works every time... It fails sometimes too

I have no real solution, maybe I have to send multiple times the telegram until I got a response but it is ugly 🤢

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

@proddy Is it normal that #data value changed between sent telegrams ?

proddy commented 5 years ago

the #data should show the number of data bytes in the data package sent. So that needs fixing too. For example send 8D 10 FF 0F 00 65 28 should show #data=1 as there is one byte 0x28 sent ?

Neonox31 commented 5 years ago

Ok so this a bug, but I don't think it is related.

proddy commented 5 years ago

ok fixed that small issue - its just a formatting bug, nothing major.

Vuego123 commented 5 years ago

@Neonox31 why do you start your last example with 8D instead of B8 ?

Neonox31 commented 4 years ago

@proddy thanks for the fix.

@Vuego123 Because 8D is the modem here : https://github.com/norberts1/hometop_HT3/blob/master/HT3/sw/etc/html/HT3-Bus_Telegramme.html The problem is the same with 8D or 8B, did you have the same behavior with your FW100 ?

m1588 commented 4 years ago

I'd like to share some findings for my setup: thermostsat - Bosch cw100 boiler - bosch condense 2500 (uses HT3 protocol)

I have set thermostat mode to manual and captured set messages with different temps. It seems it has very basic format:

Set 16C

(00:09:21.787) Thermostat -> all, type 0x01B9, telegram: 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 20 (CRC=35) #data=1 <--- RCPLUSSetMessage(0x1B9)

Set 20C

(00:08:22.765) Thermostat -> all, type 0x01B9, telegram: 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 28 (CRC=3D) #data=1 <--- RCPLUSSetMessage(0x1B9)

Set 22C

(00:07:34.706) Thermostat -> all, type 0x01B9, telegram: 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 2C (CRC=39) #data=1 <--- RCPLUSSetMessage(0x1B9)

Set 23C

(00:09:50.654) Thermostat -> all, type 0x01B9, telegram: 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 2E (CRC=3B) #data=1 <--- RCPLUSSetMessage(0x1B9)

The last byte is the desired temperature with 0.5C resolution coded with DEC2HEX(temp_in_C*2).

However trying to replicate RCPLUSSetMessage with "send 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 32" seems does not have an effect. I do not see "Sending raw message ..." in logs for some reason.

proddy commented 4 years ago

@m1588 do any 'send' messages work?

m1588 commented 4 years ago

@proddy "send 8B 98 06 00 20" works fine

proddy commented 4 years ago

The code checks when sending that the destination is not 0x00 which is why send 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 32 didn't work. I'll change the check to override that for raw sending.

m1588 commented 4 years ago

@proddy , the send is working now, however, the boiler is not starting, unfortunately

proddy commented 4 years ago

send 98 00 FF 0A 01 B9 32 is not a command to the boiler. It's a broadcast message from the Thermostat to everyone on the EMS bus showing a certain status. The destination is 0x00.

mellbo commented 4 years ago

but how we can starting boiler ? I try with send 98 08 FF 0A 01 B9 32 and send 98 88 FF 0A 01 B9 32 with no result. In the log of thermostat, not appears any message to boiler (0x08 || 0x88) ?

proddy commented 4 years ago

@mellbo please create a new issue for your question. This issue is about writing to a FW100 thermostat using the heatronics protocol, and don't want it polluted with non relative comments.

moustic999 commented 4 years ago

the 01B9 message must be targetted to the thermostat, not the boiler, then the thermostat will broadcasted it to everybody, in case of multiple device would need this info.

so for example : send 8D 10 FF 0A 01 B9 32

proddy commented 4 years ago

@Vuego123 @moustic999 how you two guys doing on implementing Write operations for Junkers? I'd like to add this to complete HT3 support. Let me help you.

algirdasc commented 4 years ago

Is there any news or progress about FW1x0?

I have Junkers Cerapur boiler with Junkers FW120 thermostat and if there is anything I could do to contribute on supporting read/write mode - I would gladly help.

 UBAMaster: Bosch Condens 2500/Buderus Logamax GB062/Junkers Cerapur Top/Worcester Greenstar i/Generic HT3 (DeviceID:0x08 ProductID:95 Version:23.12)
 Controller: Bosch Condens 2500/Buderus Logamax GB062/Junkers Cerapur Top/Worcester Greenstar i/Generic HT3 (DeviceID:0x09 ProductID:95 Version:23.12)
 Thermostat: Junkers FW120 (DeviceID:0x10 ProductID:192 Version:53.03)

EDIT: I have ability to connect Junkers / Bosch MB LAN-2 module in to the BUS if that would help to analyze / sniff packets.

proddy commented 4 years ago

@Neonox31 made a start with the implementation and his code (on GitLab) looks solid. What we could do is create a new dev branch to test this out but Logan would need to merge his changes into it. Let me know. I don't think it'll be a lot of work to finish and test this.

Neonox31 commented 4 years ago

Hello,

Unfortunately I haven't been able to move forward because we got a new baby since october. My implementation works but only sometimes and I don't understand why, the thermostat seems to not take account all writes...

If anyone has clue, I can find some time to solve the problem.

proddy commented 4 years ago

congrats @Neonox31 on the new family addition!

@algirdasc I've merged @Neonox31's code from a few months back into the latest dev build. I have no idea if it works but give it a shot.

algirdasc commented 4 years ago

Thanks for the update. @proddy, i've uploaded latest commit, but still with no luck. For example:

Setting thermostat mode to off for heating circuit 1
(14:24:16) Sending write of type 0x65 to 0x10, telegram: 8B 10 65 0E 00 (CRC=69)

but thermostat is still in manual mode:

Thermostat stats:
  Thermostat: Junkers FW120 (DeviceID:0x10 ProductID:192 Version:53.03)
  Thermostat time is 15:12:17 03/01/2020
  Heating Circuit 1
   Current room temperature: 35.2 C
   Setpoint room temperature: 25.0 C
   Mode is set to manual
   Day Mode is set to day

Is there anything I could do to help finding the problem? Maybe connecting MB LAN module to BUS and sniffing telegrams would help?

Neonox31 commented 4 years ago

@proddy thanks !

I've juste rebased my branch with the dev one and a lot of changes have been made since ! Awesome work ! I'll try to continue my dev this week-end.

proddy commented 4 years ago

@algirdasc start with changing the temperature using direct send commands, like the examples @Neonox31 mentioned in his earlier post:

# Change economic temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 10 00 65 14

# Change frost protection temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 0F 00 65 14

# Change comfort temperature to 10°C
send 8B 10 FF 11 00 65 14

and keep logging in verbose (log v) so we can see what is sent and what the EMS bus returns. When we have the telegrams sorted I can tidy up the code.

algirdasc commented 4 years ago

Here are the telegrams:

log v

System Logging set to Verbose
(15:58:11) Thermostat -> All, type 0x06, telegram: 90 00 06 00 14 01 10 03 2D 01 05 00 (CRC=3E) #data=8
send 8B 10 FF 10 00 65 14

(15:58:12) Sending raw: 8B 10 FF 10 00 65 14 
(15:58:14) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x18, telegram: 88 00 18 00 28 01 52 48 00 01 03 20 C0 80 00 80 00 80 00 FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (CRC=C2) #data=25
(15:58:14) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x34, telegram: 88 00 34 00 37 02 33 02 33 A1 00 04 03 00 00 94 72 00 0C F8 00 (CRC=35) #data=17
(15:58:17) Thermostat -> UBAMaster, type 0x16, telegram: 90 88 16 00 02 (CRC=AF) #data=1
(15:58:17) UBAMaster -> Thermostat, type 0x16, telegram: 88 10 16 00 FF 31 (CRC=EF) #data=2
(15:58:17) Thermostat -> All, type 0x006F, telegram: 90 00 FF 00 00 6F 03 01 00 FA 01 6B F3 34 00 (CRC=65) #data=9

send 8B 10 FF 0F 00 65 14

(15:58:24) Sending raw: 8B 10 FF 0F 00 65 14 
(15:58:24) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x18, telegram: 88 00 18 00 28 01 4F 48 00 01 03 20 C0 80 00 80 00 80 00 FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (CRC=A1) #data=25
(15:58:25) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x34, telegram: 88 00 34 00 37 02 33 02 33 A1 00 04 03 00 00 94 72 00 0C F8 00 (CRC=35) #data=17
send 8B 10 FF 11 00 65 14

(15:58:30) Sending raw: 8B 10 FF 11 00 65 14 
(15:58:30) Thermostat -> All, type 0x0065, telegram: 90 00 FF 11 00 65 32 (CRC=68) #data=1
(15:58:34) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x18, telegram: 88 00 18 00 28 01 4C 48 00 01 03 20 C0 80 00 80 00 80 00 FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (CRC=D9) #data=25
(15:58:34) UBAMaster -> All, type 0x34, telegram: 88 00 34 00 37 02 33 02 33 A1 00 04 03 00 00 94 72 00 0C F8 00 (CRC=35) #data=17

log n
System Logging set to None
proddy commented 4 years ago

and did any of those commands work? i.e. did it set the thermostat temps?

algirdasc commented 4 years ago

It worked one time when changed thermostat mode dial from manual to auto, but it looks like blind luck, because I cannot reproduce the same result anymore. Also I've noticed differences when changing temps:

thermostat temp 1 10
Setting new thermostat temperature to 10.0 for heating circuit 1 type 0 (0=auto,1=night,2=day,3=holiday)
(19:26:03) Sending write of type 0x65 to 0x10, telegram: **8B 10 65 00 14** (CRC=61)

The telegram is different than the one you've provided. Is that correct?