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GME files not recognized (French pen) #143

Closed severin-lemaignan closed 4 years ago

severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

Hello,

I'm struggling getting my tiptoi to accept tttool generated GMEs.

For instance, I've tried to assemble Debug.yaml (after setting the product id to 19 to match the value returned by tttool info Livre\ foret.gme, one of the books we have here). tttool assembles it fine, but when copied on the pen, none of the book's OIDs is recognized (the pen keeps complaining that I should first download the audio files corresponding to my product).

To make sure, I've set as well gme-lang: FRENCH, to no difference.

I'm using a French pen, updated to the firmware 3202.

Any idea?

Issue initially reported here thawn/ttmp32gme#5

nomeata commented 7 years ago

The support for gme-lang is rather new, and not part of any released version. Are you using the repository version? It migt also not be perfect here; if you can find out what needs to change about the GME file to fix this, let me know!

severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

I'm using the repo, yes. The language tag look fine -- at least, when read again with tttool info, it looks identical to the original book. To be fair, I do not even know if the language needs to be set. I only tried because it was mentioned as smthg required in #132

nomeata commented 7 years ago

at least, when read again with tttool info

That doesn’t say much. If we misunderstand the fileformat, then tttool info will do the same mistake.

uli42 commented 7 years ago

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Séverin Lemaignan notifications@github.com wrote:

Hello,

I'm struggling getting my tiptoi to accept tttool generated GMEs.

For instance, I've tried to assemble Debug.yaml (after setting the product id to 19 to match the value returned by tttool info Livre\ foret.gme, one of the books we have here). tttool assembles it fine, but when copied on the pen, none of the book's OIDs is recognized (the pen keeps complaining that I should first download the audio files corresponding to my product).

To make sure, I've set as well gme-lang: FRENCH, to no difference.

I'm using a French pen, updated to the firmware 3202.

Any idea?

Is this an old or new (with musicplayer) pen? For the old ones (maybe also for the new ones, but AFAIK this is untested) you can find a description how to switch the language of the pen on the "Firmware" page in the wiki. You could check if it works for a german pen. If so, we have not fully understood the file format, it seems.

Uli

severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

@uli42 hum, interesting. How can I distinguish between an old and new pen ? (I'm not sure about what the music player is supposed to be)

I'll give a try to reset the language.

severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

Alright, so:

uli42 commented 7 years ago

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Séverin Lemaignan notifications@github.com wrote:

Alright, so:

I've switched back to German: As only Update3202.upd is available from Ravensburger, I've had to switch from Update3202MT_fr.upd in French to Update3202.upd in German -- ie, without the MT. I did so by changing the firmware name in LanguageInfoMT.txt. after a reboot, the pen successfully update the firmware (in German), and my Debug.gme worked. Cool.

So we have to find out what's different on french pens.

According to the firmware page https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/wiki/Firmware a German _MT version exists. And I have it on my harddisk (the numbers are md5 checksums):

ca6696b0f57672d90e509c39a2e62356 update3202MT.upd 683e4d0a07f71e0151106c889b48d498 Update3202.upd

I also both versions in French are existing, too:

36edfdfe07d7d1e864d40f953f2d401b Update3202_fr.upd 3788fc92ad5b3d8d4691571ebb9be405 Update3202MT_fr.upd

I decided to switch back to French:

As I was now using the firmware without the MT, I first had to create a LanguageInfo.txt. I did so by copy-pasting my LanguageInfoMT.txt (and re-swapping back the language codes) when rebooting, the pen started the firmware update (in French), but... it never finished! and the pen looks bricked now. Can not stop/start it. If I plug it over USB, it is not seen by the computer. I've tried to remove the battery. No difference :-(( My children are going to be upset if I can not find a way to get the pen working again! :-/

Ohoh, that was risky. As he wiki states:

It is currently unknown what MT in some of the file names stands for (maybe there are different hardware revisions that need a slightly different firmware; current suspicion is that the MT firmware supports Micron Technology flash memory for the 4 GB version of the pen).

What size does your pen have?

On the same wiki page you can find how to enter the test mode. Does that still work?

It could be that your pen shows up with a difference USB id and your OS (Wndows?) does not recognize. Please read the section about USB Storage Boot Mode, maybe your pen is in that mode now (which wouldn't help in your situation, but will eventually provide further insight).

Uli

uli42 commented 7 years ago

One more thing: the URLs for the German firmwares (from http://static.tiptoi.com/db/tiptoi_de_de.xml)

136 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/update encrypt normal freq.upd 28F7854A 38 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/Update3202_dl.upd 39EC05ED 38 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/update3202MT.upd 3A04DD92

and for the French ones (from http://static.tiptoi.com/db/tiptoi_fr_fr.xml):

136 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/update encrypt normal freq.upd 28F7854A 21 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/Update3202_fr.upd 35F285D8 23 http://static.tiptoi.com/db/firmware/Update3202MT_fr.upd 360762FE On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Séverin Lemaignan > wrote: >> >> Alright, so: >> >> I've switched back to German: As only Update3202.upd is available from Ravensburger, I've had to switch from Update3202MT_fr.upd in French to Update3202.upd in German -- ie, without the MT. I did so by changing the firmware name in LanguageInfoMT.txt. >> after a reboot, the pen successfully update the firmware (in German), and my Debug.gme worked. Cool. > > So we have to find out what's different on french pens. > > According to the firmware page > https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/wiki/Firmware a German _MT > version exists. And I have it on my harddisk (the numbers are md5 > checksums): > > ca6696b0f57672d90e509c39a2e62356 update3202MT.upd > 683e4d0a07f71e0151106c889b48d498 Update3202.upd > > I also both versions in French are existing, too: > > 36edfdfe07d7d1e864d40f953f2d401b Update3202_fr.upd > 3788fc92ad5b3d8d4691571ebb9be405 Update3202MT_fr.upd > >> I decided to switch back to French: > >> As I was now using the firmware without the MT, I first had to create a LanguageInfo.txt. I did so by copy-pasting my LanguageInfoMT.txt (and re-swapping back the language codes) >> when rebooting, the pen started the firmware update (in French), but... it never finished! and the pen looks bricked now. Can not stop/start it. If I plug it over USB, it is not seen by the computer. I've tried to remove the battery. No difference :-(( My children are going to be upset if I can not find a way to get the pen working again! :-/ > > Ohoh, that was risky. As he wiki states: > > It is currently unknown what MT in some of the file names stands for > (maybe there are different hardware revisions that need a slightly > different firmware; current suspicion is that the MT firmware supports > Micron Technology flash memory for the 4 GB version of the pen). > > What size does your pen have? > > On the same wiki page you can find how to enter the test mode. Does > that still work? > > It could be that your pen shows up with a difference USB id and your > OS (Wndows?) does not recognize. Please read the section about USB > Storage Boot Mode, maybe your pen is in that mode now (which wouldn't > help in your situation, but will eventually provide further insight). > > Uli
severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

On 12/02/2017 22:11, Ulrich Sibiller wrote:

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Séverin Lemaignan notifications@github.com wrote:

Alright, so:

I've switched back to German: As only Update3202.upd is available from Ravensburger, I've had to switch from Update3202MT_fr.upd in French to Update3202.upd in German -- ie, without the MT. I did so by changing the firmware name in LanguageInfoMT.txt. after a reboot, the pen successfully update the firmware (in German), and my Debug.gme worked. Cool.

So we have to find out what's different on french pens.

According to the firmware page https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/wiki/Firmware a German _MT version exists. And I have it on my harddisk (the numbers are md5 checksums):

ca6696b0f57672d90e509c39a2e62356 update3202MT.upd 683e4d0a07f71e0151106c889b48d498 Update3202.upd

Yes, I've indeed read on the wiki that the German MT does exist, but I could not immediately find it.

I also both versions in French are existing, too:

36edfdfe07d7d1e864d40f953f2d401b Update3202_fr.upd 3788fc92ad5b3d8d4691571ebb9be405 Update3202MT_fr.upd

Yes, these two can be downloaded from ravensburger website.

I decided to switch back to French:

As I was now using the firmware without the MT, I first had to create a LanguageInfo.txt. I did so by copy-pasting my LanguageInfoMT.txt (and re-swapping back the language codes) when rebooting, the pen started the firmware update (in French), but... it never finished! and the pen looks bricked now. Can not stop/start it. If I plug it over USB, it is not seen by the computer. I've tried to remove the battery. No difference :-(( My children are going to be upset if I can not find a way to get the pen working again! :-/

Ohoh, that was risky. As he wiki states:

It is currently unknown what MT in some of the file names stands for (maybe there are different hardware revisions that need a slightly different firmware; current suspicion is that the MT firmware supports Micron Technology flash memory for the 4 GB version of the pen).

What size does your pen have?

4GB. Yes, it was a bit risky :-) If only that, going from a MT version to a non-MT one was successful.

On the same wiki page you can find how to enter the test mode. Does that still work?

Nope :-/ [and I tested before, it did work]

It could be that your pen shows up with a difference USB id and your OS (Wndows?) does not recognize. Please read the section about USB Storage Boot Mode, maybe your pen is in that mode now (which wouldn't help in your situation, but will eventually provide further insight).

I'm on Linux. Plugging/unplugging shows nothing at all, neither with dmesg nor with lsusb... So I'm quite pessimistic :-/

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severin-lemaignan commented 7 years ago

Ok, so by following the procedure on the Firmware page, I've been able to boot in USB Storage Boot Mode. Good news: the pen is not dead! :-)

Not sure what to do next, though! (To avoid to be too much off topic, I've moved the flashing issue to #144)

uli42 commented 7 years ago

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Séverin Lemaignan notifications@github.com wrote:

So, once in USB Storage Boot Mode, I've fired up my Windows 10 virtual machine, with Anyka's BurnTool 3.0.18.2. BurnTool sees the tiptoi and happily imports Update3202MT_fr.upd.

What to do next is less clear. I've ticked both Update mode and UDisk Burn and then clicked on Download. It apparently did something as after ~20 sec, the tiptoi eventually disconnected. But it did not reboot either...

That's the problem: unfortunately noone has managed yet to flash a tiptoi with burntool. Burntool creates a logfil, maybe the errors in there can help.

Uli

thawn commented 7 years ago

If I remember correctly, for the ITALIAN language version, the total length of the language tag seemed to be important. It may be worth a try (once the pen is hopefully fixed :) ) to make sure that the total length of the language tag in the GME file is the same as in other FRENCH gme files.

just my 2 cents

Till

chrisz commented 7 years ago

Hello,

I encountered the same problem with the french pen I bought last week.

I made different tests and it works if I had: gme-lang: FRENCH comment: CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

But it does'nt work with:

And it works with:

So it seems the comment must have 48 characters and language is required for french pen.

Thanks for this great tool :-) !

Chris

rafiberlin commented 6 years ago

Hello,

I encountered the same problem with the french pen I bought last week.

I made different tests and it works if I had: gme-lang: FRENCH comment: CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

But it does'nt work with:

  • no gme-lang and no comment
  • no gme-lang + comment "CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316"
  • gme-lang FRENCH + comment "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" (size of the first comment - 1 character)

And it works with:

  • gme-lang FRENCH + comment "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" (same size as the first comment)

So it seems the comment must have 48 characters and language is required for french pen.

Thanks for this great tool :-) !

Chris

Hi Chris,

Could you describe how you were able to do that? (I am new to this tool and I am struggling with the French Firmware...)

Thanks a lot!

Rafi

uli42 commented 6 years ago

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:04 AM, rafiberlin notifications@github.com wrote:

Hello,

I encountered the same problem with the french pen I bought last week.

I made different tests and it works if I had: gme-lang: FRENCH comment: CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

But it does'nt work with:

no gme-lang and no comment no gme-lang + comment "CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316" gme-lang FRENCH + comment "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" (size of the first comment - 1 character)

And it works with:

gme-lang FRENCH + comment "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" (same size as the first comment)

So it seems the comment must have 48 characters and language is required for french pen.

Well, the gme format also includes the length of that string, see here: https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/blob/master/GME-Format.md

So you must probably adjust the length byte, too.

Uli

rafiberlin commented 6 years ago

yRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

Hi Uli, thanks for your quick reply!

You mean I should open the GME file with an HEX Editor and arrange the header?

I tried to include in the yaml

gme-lang: FRENCH comment: CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

When I export the yaml on the created GME with

tttool export MyFile.gme

I can find this in the Yaml:

comment: CHOMPTECH DATA FORMAT CopyRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

But I do not see the gme-lang tag. Instead I see

Language: null

(I tried to create the GME with Language: FRENCH but it did not work )

uli42 commented 6 years ago

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 11:36 AM rafiberlin notifications@github.com wrote:

yRight 2009 Ver2.4.0316

Hi Uli, thanks for your quick reply!

You mean I should open the GME file with an HEX Editor and arrange the header?

Well, if you use tttool the value should be correct. If you manipulate with a hex editor you should als adapt the length byte, yes.

Uli

nomeata commented 4 years ago

This is old, I hope I can close it. Also note the new support for tttool set-language.

adomingues commented 3 years ago

Hi @nomeata,

do happen to know which languages are supported by Tiptoi books? I tried to find out but couldn't find it.

The reason to ask this, is that I tried to change the audio file for the book "Welt Atlas" to Portuguese with:

tttool-1.9/tttool set-language PORTUG WWW\ Weltatlas.gme

But when I tried the pen with this audio file I got the message "Audio file not found" (or something along these lines in German). I then did a test with "FRENCH" that should work but I got the same message. The original German audio, downloaded from the Tiptoi website, it works.

Cheers and thank you for developing this tool.

nomeata commented 3 years ago

According to https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/wiki/GME-Header the currently known languages are GERMAN, DUTCH, FRENCH, ITALIAN, RUSSIA, ENGLISH.

adomingues commented 3 years ago

Cheers! I tried to search the repo, but somehow I missed that information.