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Trying to understand the file format of Tip Toi
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[discussion] Can Tiptoi read BOOKii codes ? #252

Open exmackina opened 3 years ago

exmackina commented 3 years ago

Hi. I would love to make traditional books tiptoizable, but I haven't been able to print OID codes so far. I am looking for solutions and open to your suggestions. Without being able to print myself, the idea of buying printed OID codes comes to mind. I thought about ordering Tiptoi (Create) stickers like these: www.amazon.fr/Ravensburger-Verlag-55482-Tiptoi-Create-Sticker/dp/B07B64T2JQ . For around 7 euros it is possible to find a set of 20 stickers and therefore 20 play symbols (i.e. 0.35€/play symbol). I think that doesn't make a lot of symbols. By continuing my research, I discovered BOOKii which precisely offers a solution corresponding to my need for "large-scale" customization. A solution that largely copies Tiptoi Create but open oriented, for publishers and even for anyone who wants to transform their books or something else. Besides, it uses the same solution as Tiptoi Create to register easily via a recording symbol, but I don't need nor want this part because I would like to use mp3s and not mic recordings, and I would like to use the possibilities offered by tttool. For around 7 euros, it is possible to have 120 play symbols and even as many other 2 symbols (i.e. 0.06€/play symbol or even 0.02€/symbol) : www.amazon.fr/BOOKii-Aufnahme-Sticker-neutral-Paket-127-246/dp/B07KLFJDMD Tiptoi and Ting codes are very close: https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng/blob/master/oid-decoder.html The Bookii pen can read Ting books: https://www.cornelsen.de/empfehlungen/bookii/faq

So do you know if the Tiptoi pen can recognize OID codes on these Bookii stickers? Does anyone sell tens or hundreds of cheap OID codes on icons printed on sticker sheets?

nomeata commented 3 years ago

It says the in the FAQ that the TING pen cannot use products created for the BOOKii. So I’d not be too optimistic. But I guess we need someone to check out that device and the books and look closely at the codes.

exmackina commented 3 years ago

Eureka! I bought it, I checked it out and good news, it works. Bookii stickers can be read by the Titpoi pen. So here is what we have in the yellow package number 3 from 247 to 366 (https://amzn.to/3mzQ0PY):

nomeata commented 3 years ago

Cool! Do you want to join the mailing list and share the good news there? https://lists.nomeata.de/mailman/listinfo/tiptoi

hammetko commented 2 years ago

Eureka! I bought it, I checked it out and good news, it works. Bookii stickers can be read by the Titpoi pen. So here is what we have in the yellow package number 3 from 247 to 366 (https://amzn.to/3mzQ0PY):

Hi there. I am new here. I would like to record some sounds and add them to the booky stickers. Can you help me, how i can make it ? thnx

I have bought the bookys stickers, and i have the TipToi pen with record function,

sc911 commented 2 years ago

@exmackina: I just tried this my own and I can NOT confirm this! The Tiptoi stays silent even in debug mode. Verified that it's not defective using a Tiptoi book. Also tried it with a second pen, same results. Do you think there was a change in the codes or the firmware of the pen? Could you please test it again with your set of stickers?

chburmeister commented 1 year ago

@exmackina : any news on these stickers from bookii?

chburmeister commented 1 year ago

OK, I had the chance to get a full set of "Bookii Aufnahme-Sticker Nummer 247-366" : https://www.tessloff.com/produkt/120-bookiir-aufnahme-sticker-neutral-paket-3-nr-247-366-4260588290378.html

And the result: it WORKS :-) After spending hours of try-and-error with different applications (browsers, gimp, adobe, foxit, ...), printers (inkjet, laser), several papers (glossy, matte, extra-thick) and multiple printing-configuration-variations, I nearly gave up and the hint from @exmackina saved my day! I also built and added a debug-gme to my Gen4-tiptoi-pen ( https://github.com/entropia/tip-toi-reveng#building-your-own-gme-files ) and can 100% approve the mentioned OIDs from @exmackina.

However as it works for "normal" OID-Codes (i.e. the pen can read the code and play the given sound) I cannot use a Bookii-sticker as "Anschalt-Code" and have to misuse the "Anschalt-Code" from an original tiptoi-book. Somewhere I read that the "Anschalt-Codes" are from a lower OID-range, but as long I'm not able to print these codes, I have to stick to existing codes.

sc911 commented 1 year ago

Hey @chburmeister , that's interesting. Now I will have to investigate once again why it didn't work for me. Perhaps the problem is that I was using Gen 1 and 2 pens and not 4 as you. Regarding Start codes: they are limited to 1-999, so you could be able to use some of those bookii stickers: https://www.tessloff.com/produkt/120-bookiir-aufnahme-sticker-neutral-paket-1-nr-001-120-4260588290224.html Would be great to see this working!

sc911 commented 1 year ago

Ok, looking at the codes @exmackina found, even the sticker set staring with 1 will not help as the OID of this will be 10001 and therefore out of the start code range... Sorry, was too enthusiastic..

glor commented 6 months ago

I can confirm that the stickers don't work with my Gen1 tiptoi. But comparing them to codes my tiptoi can recognize it's clear that they have less contrast and/or are printed in a lighter shade of grey than most codes I had around.

glor commented 6 months ago

I can however confirm that a Gen4 tiptoi can easily read these stickers. And neither Gen1 nor Gen4 can read Anybook Stickers.

The problem will be starter codes for which one could recycle existing books (perhaps with a second tiptoi if you have one). It should also be possible to merge multiple own "books" into one large .gme file so you would just need one book to start the thing.