Open jindouyunz opened 1 year ago
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Hey @jindouyunz just an FYI we on the Council are reviewing this proposal. Thank you for writing it up
Hey @jindouyunz just an FYI we on the Council are reviewing this proposal. Thank you for writing it up
Thank you! Really appreciate it!
Thanks for this proposal . I found it super interesting to read through and think about. We have discussed a similar idea in the past at a Council level but never really taken it through to execution so I’m glad you brought it up again!
We have a few questions;
We also have some comments:
In short, we think it's hard to know what kind of time and effort this will take from us operationally, so maybe we can start with a soft-launch experiment for one quarter and see how many people apply to participate and how easy or difficult it is to monitor the program. Ideally building some screener tools that can spot disqualifiable behaviour is helpful so that we can automate the scanning process.
I am very happy to receive your reply! Here are some of my thoughts.
Do you think managers who participate in this competition should be known parties and enter some kind of application process?
No need to be known parties and enter an application. There are three reasons for this. Firstly, we aim to select excellent investment managers, and long-term performance is the best proof. Whether or not they are known parties, as long as they achieve outstanding results on the Enzyme platform in the end, they will be excellent investment managers. The second reason is that in my understanding of the crypto field, celebrities are usually individual KOLs or VC investors, and there are few who become famous as secondary-market traders. Even those who claim to be masters of secondary-market trading with over 100k followers on Twitter may be a product of propaganda; again, performance is the best proof. Another reason for doing this is to keep Enzyme open and permissionless which is also one of DeFi's core values.
If we are selecting winners, we have to establish categories and benchmarks. Eg. best performer against dollar or ETH or BTC? What are you thinking here?
I prefer against USD. Three reasons: firstly, although I have learned that some DEGEN people always maintain ETH or BTC standards, the vast majority of industry investors still measure their asset changes in USD; secondly, this conforms to the common practice of the mainstream finance and investment industry; thirdly, at present, BTC and ETH still fluctuate greatly during bull and bear cycles. For example, 1,000 ETH can be either 1.2 million USD or 4.8 million USD. There is a huge difference between them. In addition, regarding the selection of winners as mentioned in the above article, winners should be decided based on the share price growth rate (%) after meeting those necessary conditions.
Linked to the above question, maybe it would be better to have a USD-based category and an ETH-denominated category? This would require a slightly larger pool but potentially could be offset by paying out prizes every quarter instead of every month?
USD-based category, the reason is the same as before. I think setting up a bonus pool on a quarterly basis is also possible. The reason for considering monthly distribution before was that it would provide more timely feedback to participants/investment managers and generate more stickiness (i.e. delayed gratification may cause participant loss). Of course, you can choose the quarterly basis if it can significantly lower the operation cost.
We suspect that we won’t need to mint new tokens for this program. At current prices, it would require about 23K MLN per year which is affordable imo. This amount could be pre-allocated to the program each year and released if not spent. If the price of MLN appreciates, the amount of MLN tokens allocated could also be substantially reduced over time.
Great! By the way, 23K $MLN(or $500,000) is just a suggested value. In fact, the larger the value, the more generous the bonus and the better the promotion effect it will have. It can attract more skilled investors to participate in the competition. You can think of it as another form of liquidity mining. Most defi tokens used for LM are not less than 10%, and some even reach 60%. Illuvium, as a relatively well-known crypto game, plans to use 10% of its total token supply as a prize pool for competitions to attract players. The value I proposed is actually very small in proportion. If possible, I hope that there will be more bonuses within your acceptable range. For example, $1 million USD?
It's possible that evaluating the performance of all candidates every month might be very operationally draining. Mabe having quarter and annual prizes instead would be less operationally burdensome. I think that condition 2+3 needs to be adapted depending on which currency denomination we are evaluating based on.
Indeed, this is an energy-consuming matter. Considering operating costs, you can change the monthly competition to a quarterly one.
Not super big on sponsoring set up and half of the transaction fees unless gas fees become a serious issue again. But if we do, we should have a MLN-denominated cap on this.
Agree
We’re not too concerned about copy-trading vaults because by definition their performance will always be a bit worse than the person they’re copying . However ,I do think there are other things that need to be monitored and that argues for quarterly award events rather than monthly in order to reduce the reporting & assessment burden. Ideally we should encourage that managers do this with their own money initially to show skin in the game and to build somewhat of a track record.
Agree
In short, we think it's hard to know what kind of time and effort this will take from us operationally, so maybe we can start with a soft-launch experiment for one quarter and see how many people apply to participate and how easy or difficult it is to monitor the program. Ideally building some screener tools that can spot disqualifiable behaviour is helpful so that we can automate the scanning process.
Agreed, we can try operating for a quarter and see how it goes. Some thoughts:
Hi Enzyme Team and council. I sense the new cycle is coming in 2024. Q1 is a quite good time to launch this program. How do you think about it?
There are two things preventing Enzyme to become a 1 Billion TVL protocol:
@jindouyunz let's DM so we can set up a call and explore this more. you can reach me in discord or telegram @ Chris2pherChase on both
@jindouyunz let's DM so we can set up a call and explore this more. you can reach me in discord or telegram @ Chris2pherChase on both
Happy to hear this! I sent you a message in Discord, please check it.
Hi Enzyme Team and Council, We're approaching 2024, and already in a new cycle. I think it's the best time to launch this Star Manager Program, at least, to give it a try. Passively waiting won't help Enzyme.
ENZIP: 14 Title: Introducing an Enzyme Star Managers Program Author: Jindouyunz Status: Draft Type: ENZIP Created: Feb 23, 2023
Abstract Enzyme is a mature (and in my opinion the best) asset management tool but has not seen mass adoption in the crypto space (in terms of TVL and users). I think one of the particularly important reasons is that there are not enough vault managers with excellent performance on the Enzyme platform. Crypto users are currently looking for profit. If Enzyme can have enough high-return vaults for them to choose from, users and assets will naturally come. This proposal will describe how to attract good vault managers through the Star Managers Program.
Background At present, in the mainstream financial field, the scale of asset management accounts for about 24%, while crypto asset management accounts for only 0.15% (from Messari). Calculated according to the above ratio, it is entirely possible for Enzyme to become a $1 billion project, and Enzyme's current TVL is $60 million. What prevents Enzyme from becoming a $1 billion TVL DEFI protocol? I think it's a combination of the following reasons:
Star Managers Program Overview There is no shortage of outstanding investment masters in this market. They may have become multi-millionaires, or Twitter KOLs, or are still accumulating their own funds. But why are they unwilling to come to the Enzyme platform to display their talents and get greater returns? I think, first of all, they may not know that there is such a platform as Enzyme. Similarly, we have many investors who want to gain wealth in the Crypto field. They have spare money, but their own investment level is not high, and they cannot enter the top VC with a high threshold. So the Star Managers Program will be divided into two parts:
Star Managers Contest------- Star Manager Contest is a manager investment competition, which attracts talented investors/traders in the crypto field to create and operate vaults on the Enzyme platform through high bonuses. At the same time play the role of marketing. Contestants: open, permissionless How to enter: Create a vault on Enzyme, or use an existing vault Bonuses: issued in $MLN, the total bonus scale is 50,000 $MLN (but up to $500,000). $MLN is newly minted, and the undistributed part of the minted $MLN will be destroyed after the event. Prizes are divided into two parts, one part (A) rewarding the winners of each month and the other part (B) rewarding the winners of the whole year (The following example is based on a $500,000 scenario, if it is 50,000 $MLN, it will be distributed in equal proportion) A: Calculate the share price changes from the 1st of each month to the end of the month, the first place gets 10,000 US dollars, the second gets 5,000 US dollars, the third gets 2,000 US dollars, and the total of 12 months is 204,000 US dollars B: Statistics of share price changes in 12 months, the first place is 100,000 US dollars, the second is 50,000 US dollars, the third is 20,000 US dollars, the 4th to 21st places get each 7,000 US dollars, and the total is 296,000 US dollars Duration: One year (first round) (whether to carry out the second round depends on the effect of the first round) Necessary conditions for winners: Contestants must first meet the following conditions before they can compete for prize money. If the number of finalists is less than the number of prize winners, the prize for the corresponding ranking will not be issued
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Star Managers Campaign-----
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Generally speaking, I think this is a very worthwhile approach. At the cost of about 1% FDV dilution, exchange for the possibility of Enzyme Fly Wheel. Even if it is unsuccessful, at least let the users of the entire crypto space know about Enzyme. I always firmly believe that it is only a matter of time before this project, which has been in serious operation for more than 6 years, becomes the leader of DEFI with a TVL of 1 billion US dollars. The star manager program is to make this day come earlier (by 1~2 super cycles).
I hope you evaluate the program carefully. I'm open to any discussion, suggestions, and criticism. (The idea is inspired by my friend Hua L.) Contact: jindounzsw@gmail.com, Twitter: @jindouyunz