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using an arrow to represent something that is not a vector #129

Open JohnDenker opened 8 years ago

JohnDenker commented 8 years ago

In section 12.3 on page 287 in connection with the Procedure: Extended free-body diagrams as exemplified by figure 12.11:

I would warn students that this is in some ways an abuse of the symbols. It is a trap for the unwary. Note the contrast:

This is a tremendous inconsistency. It can easily lead to profound misconceptions about the definition of "vector" and the definition of "force".

AFAICT, every textbook in the last 400 years has mishandled this issue. The best solution I've been able to come up with, after much struggle, is to carefully distinguish between a dynamic _interaction_ and a _force_. -- In simple cases, we have: interaction = (force, line of action) -- If we pick a datum, we can write: interaction = (force, torque)

The arrows in figure 12.11 are not vectors. We know that because a vector has direction and magnitude but not location, whereas each of these arrows has a partially-significant location.

In particular, the arrows in figure 12.11 are not really forces and should not be labeled "F", since force is a vector. Instead they should be identified as _interaction_ arrows and labeled with some appropriate symbol such as χ.

In any case, the distinction between (direction, magnitude) and (direction, magnitude, location) needs to be carefully explained. Just calling it an "extended" diagram does not suffice to explain in what ways the concepts are being extended.

Possibly-constructive contribution: A discussion of this point, with diagrams, can be found at https://www.av8n.com/physics/force-intro.htm#sec-interactions and https://www.av8n.com/physics/force-intro.htm#sec-more-interactions