Closed kermankohli closed 2 years ago
However, it should be up to each protocol/network to determine how they would like to handle the creation of a payment or be compliant with EIP948.
I don't feel that the rest of the working group for #948 agrees with this.
My personal view is that there will be too much fragmentation in the marketplace if there are no standards around creation of a subscription.
If you we are going to break the standard into two components, then there should be a separate set of standards for writing/creation of a standard.
So far we have these basic functions defined for a read/cancel only standard. These are not in any way finalised, but merely a starting point for a discussion.
Your proposal is not a starting point . The starting point was https://github.com/EthereumOpenSubscriptions/standard , which we had all previously been working towards together until you stopped showing up to the #948 calls and then submitted this EIP without any communication with the rest of the working group.
its not a standard if it’s just 8x in the working group.
Hey @owocki, I think there's been some cross wires around what's been communicated due to the calls being at 12:30am and me trying to catch up via chat.
My personal view is that there will be too much fragmentation in the marketplace if there are no standards around creation of a subscription.
We believe that there's a magnitude of use cases (donation, up to X, oraclised etc) that might want to be created and it'll be unfair to be locked into one interface to create these subscriptions. It's also worth considering that a user isn't expecting a standard way to create subscriptions since you subscribe to services from various businesses/developers. Although, what the user does want is a standard way to view all of their current subscriptions and cancel them if required. Hence, our intent is for the two standards to be complimentary to each other and not competing :)
I'd also like to thank you for starting the EIP948 group as that's been where we've been able to collaborate together. I don't intend to come off as going rogue
or being the only one in the working group
, this is simply an idea to resolve the differences we have to move forward and get the standards over the line. Apologies in advance if you felt offended that I've forked the standard you originally created.
Having a recurring subscription standard without subscription initiation doesn't make sense. That's the whole point of ERC-948 - to initiate, manage, and process subscriptions.
@sb777 Could you explain why initiation doesn't make sense to not be in a standard? Use cases would be helpful to understand :)
I'd be in favor of separating subscription initiation from a subscription management interface standard, so long as the reference implementation includes an example of subscription initiation. All the contract needs to return is an amount due; there's a lot of business logic (first time free, price stabilization, etc.) that would be better modularized in a separate contract than through an interface standard.
In fact, I think the word "subscriptions" is too opinionated because it attaches the concept of recurring payments to an enterprise use-case, whereas in real life recurring payments are used in other forms such as license fees, rentals, donations etc.
Wondering about the decision to use bytes32 for the subscription parameter? Why restrict this when you can store a lot more data in a uint256 and it's faster for the EVM to process.
I agree with the choice for a standard for view may be better than a standard for initiation because subscription to what exactly? It could be many things. Which makes me think amount due and fee returns...I guess this standard as is will be only useful for tokens and fiat representation subscriptions?
Do you think there's merit in adding array params to the gets so you can pull out many subscription details for the chain at once rather than hitting the chain many times for use cases where there are many subscriptions?
Thank you for your input and apologies for the late reply!
@sindarknave Definitely. The idea behind what a subscription actually is so varied that it's better to find what should be in common and cutting where ideas/implementation diverge too greatly. Out of the existing standard, what do you thinks should be changed though?
@AC0DEM0NK3Y Honestly, I didn't really know that uint256 was more gas efficient than bytes32. Would be keen to learn more about this - any links would be greatly appreciated! Could you elaborate more about your points of amount due and return fees. Regarding array params, it's still dependent on some kind of format or structure for the subscription. eg. what should index 0 contain, what format do you store dates/time intervals in (epoch or some kind of enum based system) etc. Also returning a dynamic array in Solidity is really messy right now so wanted to avoid going down that rabbit hole altogether haha. It's easier to have s JSON object serialised as a string, data or uint imo.
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Problem We need a standard way of dealing with recurring/subscription payments on Ethereum. The original discussion began with EIP948, however there are currently 2 ideas around what a subscription payment standard should have be (read vs edit/write).
Solution Rather than creating a lowest common denominator for competing standards, at 8x we propose to create a new standard to separate the two altogether. We propose EIP1192 will be a standard for applications such as wallets to allow users to view their existing subscriptions and manage them at a basic level (eg. cancelling). However, it should be up to each protocol/network to determine how they would like to handle the creation of a payment or be compliant with EIP948.
Current Progress
So far we have these basic functions defined for a read/cancel only standard. These are not in any way finalised, but merely a starting point for a discussion. One problem which needs to be addressed is a potential metadata format for both EIP948 and EIP 1992 to be in agreement with.
Some potential issues include:
Apart from the above, this is the current implementation proposal for EIP1192.