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[Python] Implement new Concept Exercise: list methods #2170

Closed DavidGerva closed 4 years ago

DavidGerva commented 4 years ago

This issue describes how to implement the list methods concept exercise for the Python track, which should familiarize the student with the core list methods.

Getting started

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Goal

This concept exercise should familiarize the student with some of the core list methods that manipulate/mutate lists, and when/how to use them.

Learning objectives

Out of scope

Concepts

Prerequisites

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Hints

After

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Representer

No changes required.

Analyzer

No changes required.

Implementing

Tests should be written using unittest.TestCase and the test file named comparisons_test.py.

Help

If you have any questions while implementing the exercise, please post the questions as comments in this issue.

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BethanyG commented 4 years ago

🔥 🔥 🔥 -- @DavidGerva you are on a roll! Many thanks for this.

BethanyG commented 4 years ago

@mohanrajanr will be taking this on. YAY.

mohanrajanr commented 4 years ago

@DavidGerva @BethanyG : To Test this exercise, I came up with the following plan.

class ListWrapper(list):
    def __init__(self, iterable=(), **attr):
        super().__init__(iterable=iterable, **attr)
        self.execution_history = []
    def append(self, value):
        self.execution_history.append('append')
        super().append(value)
    def extend(self, value):
        self.execution_history.append('extend')
       super().extend(value)

a = ListWrapper()
a.append(1)
a
#=> [1]
a.execution_history
#=> ['append']

This looks like a more plausible way to understand whether the user used the function in the code. All the Test cases will be manipulating the list which we pass ( the list wrappered object is the one we will pass in the test ) and we can test all the list methods :) .

At first i thought whether we can monkey patch built in object or use decorator of some sorts, but listwrapper seemed more easier to do.

Thoughts?.

And Also, I know Jeremy has an Issue raised about differentiating on exercises and concepts. So Should I go on with the PR or should I wait?

SleeplessByte commented 4 years ago

This looks like a more plausible way to understand whether the user used the function in the code. All the Test cases will be manipulating the list which we pass ( the list wrappered object is the one we will pass in the test ) and we can test all the list methods :) .

As a rule on exercism, test don't test implementation. This has three reasons, if not more:

  1. Testing implementation means that it will eventually break with best practices (idiomatic-ness), because there might be a new way in the future that is more idiomatic, but the tests won't allow for it.
  2. Most forms of testing implementation gives away the answer, which is what we don't want.
  3. You probably won't and shouldn't test implementation when writing this code in the wild, you'd test outcome.

However, we have a way to guide a student to use specific implementations! We allow analyzers to test implementation. This has a sidenote: we often suggest you only give feedback on proven positives, and not potential positives. What does this mean? Instead of analyzing "uses append", you would instead analyzer "uses for each" and suggest append. This way, when new ways are added in the future, the analyzer doesn't break!

SleeplessByte commented 4 years ago

And Also, I know Jeremy has an Issue raised about differentiating on exercises and concepts. So Should I go on with the PR or should I wait?

Just continue. You're doing great, and it's easy for us to "fix" / do another PR to update once that idea lands. No need to wait.

mohanrajanr commented 4 years ago

@SleeplessByte : Thanks for your comments.

You probably won't and shouldn't test implementation when writing this code in the wild, you'd test outcome.

Got it!. I think this line resonates better about the thought i should give on writing test cases.

it's easy for us to "fix" / do another PR to update once that idea lands.

Great. I will proceed working with this.

mohanrajanr commented 4 years ago

Created a PR for this Issue here : https://github.com/exercism/v3/pull/2303

cmccandless commented 4 years ago

I missed this issue when it was created. Was there a discussion at some point on naming this concept "list methods" instead of just "list"?

BethanyG commented 4 years ago

Yeah. That naming struggle (and grouping of concept and terms) is ongoing. We already have lists, but purposely limited the coverage of specific methods there.

I am debating if we do an iterables or sequences concept for things like bracket notation, indexing, slicing -- all the common sequence operations that apply across sequence types (help thinking through that warmly welcomed).

If we were to do that, then there is this space "in between" the basic data structures (what they are, if they are mutable, immutable, how to make one, how to update one) and the more general types and how those get used/interpreted (sequence, mapping, stream, etc.) where there are useful or important methods specific to only that class (str.join(), list.sort(), etc.). We also have a strings and string-methods (and in fact have string formatting). And I am assuming we'd probably have a dict-methods too. But I am not very happy with it - I just don't know yet what a better grouping is.

I'll admit that methods is an overloaded word - but operations (or operating on lists) doesn't really feel correct either. The docs use methods. Not that that recommends the term as a concept:

The list data type has some more methods. Here are all of the methods of list objects

Thoughts? These are things that are important for a student as basic building blocks, and I don't think the list exercise is detailed enough (nor should it be as a concept exercise) to then point the student to the List class and say "have at it!".

cmccandless commented 4 years ago

I'll admit that methods is an overloaded word - but operations (or operating on lists) doesn't really feel correct either. The docs use methods. Not that that recommends the term as a concept:

Not to mention that we also have a list-ops practice exercise...

I do like the idea of an iterables concept. Frequently in Python it doesn't matter what the exact type of a variable is; its behavior (or "group") is usually more important. It feels right to integrate that ideology to our concept exercises too.

BethanyG commented 4 years ago

Since PR #2303 has been merged 🎉 , I am closing this issue.