farin
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3 years ago Hi, great post, all points are valid.
I have some remarks: Completely agree then players needs to see all information in list of players regardless of screen size. Still I am not sure if scrollable list of players is the best solution. This different case than game history on left size. In history you are interested in recent events and wants to scroll only in rare case. In case of player list you want to see all, usually you own record the most.
Still this gives me some ideas how to solve it
- adding option how to display list - (default / your at top / rotate keeping active player at top)
- showing own and active player in full size, stack or collapse others over, showing full on mouse over/click what do you think it about it?
Another option for enabling tile sheet during a game, but without showing remaining tiles, just full list of all tiles from current setup. I like this idea
I am usually using Ctrl+Z as Undo, but let me think about it. Sometimes there is not much space in action panel at top, and I am careful about adding to much to it. I also have some idea about small redesign in this are, so I will be thinking about undo together with it.
displayed points displayed - let's add optiion to settings
Counter of biggest city and longest road from King and Robber Baron expansions - for now you can use workaround, mouseover last king token in history and count tiles. But you are right, direct counter as is in 4.x is more convenient
Saved setups, yeah task is already in backlog
Making active player a little more visible - let me try it - I found current solution insufficient but didn't found perfect solution yet. I think this is another candidate for option in settings. Aso rotating player list can be helpful
Snearone
On the left is an example of how now dynamic scaling doesn't necessarily help or even interfere, for this application window has to be shrunk a bit horizontally, so I doubt that would ever happen.
In the middle how it looks like on "full screen" right now.
On the right my quick mock-up.
In order for all 9 players to fit, the counter of the remaining tiles would have to be moved to the left side, or even to the bottom left corner. Otherwise, even with this, the last player would be not visible.
To accommodate everything, the player name would have to be shortened (popup with full name when mouse over?).
In the future, for predicted points, the points field could be split into two lines using a smaller font.
stanolacko
Your work on version 5 is really remarkable, given the enormity of the work, small things can get overlooked.
I am writing from the perspective of a player who usually plays with several people, using several expansions simultaneously. The list will be long, I gathered everything so as not to create multiple tickets.
● The most important thing is a scrollable list of players just like it works with tile history, as dynamic resize sometimes is not enough. As you can see in the attached image, when a player's stuff is listed in two lines, and this can last for a long time, especially when you add things like resource tokens or small buildings, the field is high enough that the last players are then completely invisible. The smaller the screen (e.g. netbook) the bigger struggle for players who can not see themselves, even full hd screens are not able to show everything.
● Tile sheet to be viewable from player selection screen, before starting a game with hiding it option enabled, so players could see what tiles there will be and not rely on their memory and expansions symbols. Another option for enabling tile sheet during a game, but without showing remaining tiles, just full list of all tiles from current setup.
● Undo button next to [Skip action] and [Confirm] buttons, saves just one click at Game menu, but small changes like that would be most useful after all.
● Points displayed above structures/meeples should fade out after time as in version 4, not just disappear after all other players turns, this would be especially useful when playing with Princess and Dragon, (example: fairy defends abbot who is in garden, player returns abbot from garden and next player could use magic path to move into this garden but fairy and point marker confuses him in thinking it's occupied already).
● Fairy on top of mage/witch, right now it completely disappear under them, even on zoom you barely see it.
● Counter of biggest city and longest road from King and Robber Baron expansions, now it just displays who has it without specific number of tiles.
And for the least important ones:
● Saved setups, as a addition to recent setups.
● Making active player a little more visible than triangle at the top bar and underlined name.
Maybe something like this:
Playing Carcassonne these days couldn't be better thanks to you. Many thanks for your work on JCZ so far!