API: how to send audio (input) to VST?

[drscotthawley]

I downloaded a free compressor plugin and started modifying your example of the Dexed synth to use the compressor, and I could query all the parameters and their names, but then...

...I've been all through the code and docs, and I still can't figure it out: How does one send audio into the VST plugin?

I see several "get" routines in the source for RenderEngine.... but for a plugin like an echo or compressor ...how do I "put"?

Thanks!

(little screenshot of how far I got, LOL)

[fedden]

I see the problem - so with the current VST you are using, you want to send buffers of audio in at get altered FX audio out, rather than triggering a MIDI synth to subsequently generate audio frames?

This VST host was designed in my Undergrad Dissertation to host a synth and create one-shot sounds from various synthesiser patches. This was so I 'learn' an automatic VST synthesiser programmer, by training a neural network representation between the MFCCs features (derived from the sound) and the parameters used to make the said sound.

Although it's been a year since I have looked at the source, I suspect the code would need to be modified in RenderEngine::renderPatch.

Lines 121, 122 of RenderEngine.cpp show the audioBuffer being passed to the plugin as a reference. In this case, we would want to fill the audioBuffer object with data before it goes into the plugin. I could be wrong - it's been a while since I worked with JUCE, but that is certainly where I would start:

// Turn Midi to audio via the vst.
plugin->processBlock (audioBuffer, midiNoteBuffer);

I have about 20 days left on my thesis, and as I said I will be reviving RenderMan for a creative ML course I'll be doing. Until then my hands are tied! Let me know if I can point you in the right direction, and if not, I'll add this to the list of features to be implemented.

Thanks for your perserverance!

[drscotthawley]

In that case, I have a language suggestion: change references to "VST host" to "VSTi host."
Because that's what you've got. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-VST-and-VSTi ...It would help keep people like me from getting too excited.

Thanks for pointing out the place to start in the code. If I can convince a couple local JUCE experts to help, maybe we can add audio and send a PR. How 'bout we leave this issue open, and maybe someone else in the world will contribute!

Aside: Good luck with your thesis! Sounds interesting. I'm working on deep learning as well, only with audio. And I'll be in London in late June for a couple AI conferences. I'd love to visit Goldsmiths while I'm around. I took Rebecca Fiebrink's online course recently and loved it.

[fedden]

Apologies if I wasted your time and the references to VST have been changed so thanks for pointing that out. Rebecca is well worth meeting if you get the chance - one of the standout lecturers for me by far!

Contributions are very welcome but the potential to train neural networks for automatic mixing / FX is an entincing one so I'll see what can be done in the coming months. I should add the VSTi programming project has already accepted to IEEE as a paper. My dissertation this year is focused on neural audio synthesis at high sample rates and in real-time usage! :)

[igorgad]

Hi Scott,

I had the same excitement till a figured out that renderPatch function is applied only to virtual instruments. Also, the librenderman has feature extraction process that is a lit bit more complex than my needs. Those reasons encourage me to build a very simple audio-to-audio vst host interface, you can checkout in https://github.com/igorgad/dpm under vstRender folder.

I also decided to replace the boost interface with swig. The bad news is that it is still not working due to problems with the swig interface ;/

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Apologies if I wasted your time - not my intention - and the references to VST have been changed so thanks for pointing that out. Rebecca is well worth meeting if you get the chance - one of the standout lecturers for me by far!

Contributions are very welcome but the potential to train neural networks for automatic mixing / FX is an entincing one so I'll see what can be done in the coming months.

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[drscotthawley]

@fedden No worries; I'd just been wanting an audio-audio python VST host for a while. That's great about your paper being accepted!

@igorgad Great to hear about your project. I pulled your repo, built it, and will see if I can help. Currently getting an error that seems unrelated to swig. I'll send you an Issue...

[faroit]

@drscotthawley did you find a way to handle audio->VST from python?

[drscotthawley]

@faroit It's been a while, but yes, we had something working once: Check out @igorgad's "dpm" repo, e.g.

https://github.com/igorgad/dpm/blob/master/contrib/run_plugin.py

I keep meaning to come back to this, but so many other things to work on! Let me know if this helps and/or if you make progress with it.