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Procedural Engines for Kerbal Space Program
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UDMH + NTO Configuration #5

Closed Tyaedalis closed 7 years ago

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

I'm having some trouble finding much data on this particular mixture. A lot of Russian engines use it, but there's very little information about them (in my searches). Many other cases include either a different form of hydrazine or nitric acid (e.g. UDMH + RFNA, Aerozine-50 + NTO), which appear to be extremely similar, but I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to know if these are similar enough to make a huge difference for your purposes.

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O/F Ratios to Calculate

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

They're all very similar, which is the reason why I have this one down with a note in the wishlist that similar mixtures would be nice in the future, but aren't crucial now. You should be able to roughly mix-and-match the O/F ratios and pressures for the different combos if you're looking for typical O/F and pressure data. I would recommend Norbert Brügge's site for info; under specials he has data for a lot of rocket engines, including mixture ratios.

I'd say to try doing the same pressure ratios as you did for hydrolox, but to extend the O/F range up a lot higher. I think hypergolics tend to run ox-rich in the turbopumps.

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

That website is amazing. Wish I knew about it sooner!

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

I would go higher for the O/F. Water shows up in the exhaust, but it doesn't have the (L) after it, so it's gaseous and not a problem. I think you could probably go all the way up to 60 and everything will be fine.

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

I'm getting H2O(L) at around 51. Should I still go with 60?

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

It's only showing up at the end of the nozzle at high pressures, so yeah, keep going for 60.

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

I can only get data for 0.25 Pa chamber pressure up to a mixture ratio of 54. Above that, it's too cold. Am I doing something wrong, perhaps?

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

No, likely that's just what's supposed to happen. In that case, cut it off there. If it's too cold to keep running, its chamber pressure should be cool enough to go into a turbine. Chamber pressure is somewhere below ~800 K, right?

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

I can get data for down to 1.65 MPa with 60 O/F. At that point the temp in the chamber is ~600 K.

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

Fill that table if you want, but leave it commented out if you can't complete the pressures. I'm currently not supporting incomplete pressure listings for given O/Fs because it makes solving things simpler. The data is useful, but maybe for later on.

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

Sure thing.

ferram4 commented 7 years ago

And closed.

Tyaedalis commented 7 years ago

I just need to go over this again and we'll be good to go with these initial propellants!