geoffmcl
commented
8 years ago Hi Theo,
Re: https://github.com/fgx/fgx.github.io/issues/32 Re: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fgx-project/5-JRYBpakxY
you raise a lot of interesting questions... and won't be able to address all the points in one message
Ok, no problem... So, my first question is did you address any in the above reply?
It seems you raised some other issues, like -
..., FGx is nearly dead:
Well, as discussed before, the main project here, the FGx Flightgear Launcher (FGx), is probably moribund...
First, it was never fully ported to Qt5, and now faces a Qt5 --launcher built into FGFS itself, making the building of this better mouse trap!, externally, not very appealing...
But then, mainly grace a you, it started to get into 3D rendering... started collecting 3D models, and showing them on a 3D map/terrain display... the overview page - http://fgx.github.io/ - shows each of those, going back over quite a number of years...
To me, this reached a peek with - http://fgx.github.io/sandbox/flightpath/fgx-flightpath-r13.html - and only very recently started to get back to this, with things correctly placed... still no model... new elevations API to learn...
And until, as discussed in The Future - Dream, to me there is nothing really to promote with this yet... it is still a WIP... we need to offer a 3D flight playback service, or something...
... a way of creating a marketing or promoting things without too much effort.
Yes, I can see what you are doing, and only suggested large embedded static images in just about every issue does not help with this... IMO...
Your creation of a special page - https://ladybug-analysis-tools.github.io/ladybug-web/ - with all the projects created and shown in a single HTML pages, if you scroll down enough, and are patient enough to wait for each 'sub-project' to load, is GREAT...
This is absolutely perfect for the first time user - a quick overview, 1-by-1, just by scrolling - certainly beats the menu approach in - http://fgx.github.io/ - where you have to click each to see all - to see if you have any interest in the 'project', and will watch its progress... maybe participate...
But par contra is absolutely bad for the repeat user, who I am sure would like the simpler verbal only menu approach, that loads instantly, simply as a quick link to some sub-project you are following...
But I do not think that has anything to do with adding a static image to each issue, which, as stated, I believe is very distracting to such a repeat user...
And, for instance, leaving a bad image like - https://github.com/fgx/fgx.github.io/issues/29#issue-165372016 - now that we have the great - https://github.com/fgx/fgx.github.io/issues/29#issuecomment-234091061 - does not seem a good promotional thing...
Yes, it shows progress, but showing failures and calling it promotion do not seem to fit too well together...
Yes, there is nothing wrong with adding the latest, and best image!, to say the bottom of a README.md, or a web pages...
So, remember this is just about the use of images in GitHub issues! That's all... there are other good places to use these images, but prefer it like the ladybug-web, where it is the actual, not some static nothing...
Re: Posts can be edited
Yes, they can, but take care with that... While I do not know exactly, an email is only generated when the issue is first posted. No new email is sent on edits of the comment!
If you have a known user, that perhaps does not use the Preview button; that can have second, third, thoughts; can add, remove, or adjust points, text, etc, then it is bad news to reply directly to the email... you can end up jumping on something said, that has be subsequently edited... making for a very messy conversation...
And yes, the fact that - pasting an image just works - is great! There are times where a picture can explain the issue much better - absolutely true... and should be used...
So I think I am just commenting on what I felt was an over-use, even a big distraction...
I want to be able to scroll back up the comments made, to remind myself what has already been said, and not have to scroll up over some big fat static images...
That's all...
Regards, Geoff.
theo-armour
pedromorgan
@fgx/owners
In this message
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fgx-project/5-JRYBpakxY
Geoff: you raise a lot of interesting questions regarding the use of images in GitHub issues. All your points are valid and worth addressing.
Note: I won't be able to address all the points in one message. And none of the messages in this thread will have images. ;-)
From my point of view, FGx is nearly dead:
https://github.com/fgx/fgx.github.io/graphs/traffic
There's not much happening here. And nobody does any promoting of what's here elsewhere in FG circles.
It would be easy to do what I am doing elsewhere, but it is nice to have a focus om aspects of flying and access to Pete and Geoff's experience.
Also I kind of suck at doing promoting and blogging and the like.
So the idea came to me to use the things I normally do like writing to change logs, explaining things as a way of creating a marketing or promoting things without too much effort.
You can see some of the results here:
Theo Armour Geoff McLane Pedro Morgan
I am in the process of building a similar work for GitHub organizations. It would be great to build something like this for FGx
A different way of promoting what an organization is doing is available here;
https://ladybug-analysis-tools.github.io/ladybug-web/
Scroll down and you will see lots of use of 3D.
And this is the thing: If you want to get people interested in 3D and animation and interaction, then showing text is a turn off. For good things to happen there has to be a regular progression of fresh graphics.
I'm not saying what I'm doing is the right way. I'm just investigating ways of being able to code faster miles an hour and in the process create its own promotion.
I am loving GitHub issues because:
and @ work
But enough for now. More tomorrow.
I may not be doing things right, but the intention is to get FGx flying again - and hopefully with an auto-pilot for doing the marketing.
And, using one of my favorite Geoff expressions,
Bye for now...
Theo