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[DataCap Removal Proposal] Abusive Behaviour Detected on jevticgallonsd1466 & Hugh-Top on 2054 & 1974 #913

Closed herrehesse closed 1 year ago

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

Issue Description

Two instances of abusive clients have been identified involving the following activities:

This situation serves as a prime illustration where the client assumes the role of the storage provider, receiving support from negligent notaries who fail to fulfil their responsibilities.

Impact

This organisation has the capability to accumulate datacap exclusively for its own miners, disregarding regional distribution and engaging in significant self-dealing. Such actions contradict the rules and guidelines of the Filecoin+ program, granting them undue financial advantages over entities striving to operate fair and decentralised storage provider businesses.

Details

Clients Link Title Client Funding Address
https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/2054 Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) jevticgallonsd1466 f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y
https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/1974 TCGA Hugh-Top f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y
Storage Providers MinerID Client IP Address Name (VPN) Location Percentage
f0143858 f02185055 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f01969779 f02185055 159.89.177.42 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f02201190 f02185055 138.197.95.12 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 9
f02301 f02185055 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f02032191 f02185055 123.157.235.35   CN , Zhejiang , Jiaxing 8
f0240185 f02185055 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 11
f03223 f02185055 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 11
f02230935 f02185055 43.228.183.100   HK , Central and Western District , Central 1
f02230939 f02185055 43.228.183.100   HK , Central and Western District , Central 1
f02230375 f02185055 43.228.183.100   HK , Central and Western District , Central 1
f02230941 f02185055 43.228.183.100   HK , Central and Western District , Central 1
MinerID Client IP Address Name (VPN) Location Percentage
f0143858 f02213534 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f01969779 f02213534 159.89.177.42 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f0240185 f02213534 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f02301 f02213534 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f03223 f02213534 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton 19
f02032191 f02213534 123.157.235.35   CN , Zhejiang , Jiaxing 3

Notaries Aaron01230 kernelogic METAVERSEDATAMINING NiwanDao stcouldlisa

zcfil Aaron01230 Bitrise0111 DaYouGroup kernelogic

Proposed Solution(s)

We propose the following actions to address the situation:

Timeline

Discussion at July 11th 2023 WG Call Community open audit until July 14th 2023 at 5 pm ET Decision announced async at 5:01 pm ET

Additional

Newly opened by the same client: https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/2067 Also self-deal application from topblocks: https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/2021

kernelogic commented 1 year ago

The reasons for my signatures are the following:

  1. As I have stated previously in many different issues, I do not object VPN / firewall usage. It is not at consensus.
  2. The data is real. Not generated from a pool.
  3. SPs have super high retrieval success rate. image
herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@kernelogic I appreciate your prompt response. I have a few questions for you regarding the issues at hand:

While we acknowledge the high rates of retrievability, the fact remains that this entity is almost fully self-dealing, which is a violation of FIL+ rules.

kernelogic commented 1 year ago

From my own criteria:

  1. Self dealing over 25% is not acceptable in later stage of distribution.
  2. However, if it's early tranches, I would allow client get a chance to explain and improve.
  3. Use VPN to give false geographical distribution / self-dealing, ethically not allowed, but we need a way to consensus-ly prove it.

I have examined my signatures in 2054 and 1974, both are in early stages. I hope the clients can give a convincing explanation.

guanxinlian commented 1 year ago

Let me make it clear that #2021 is the first DC list I applied for, and I am not an organization that accumulates data for its own miners. For the time being, I am focusing on the encapsulation of a miner(f02032191), and I am also trying to exchange other data with other LDN in different regions. I don't know whether it is my partner's problem or mine. Now my demand is to carry out encapsulation, and we are just a small filecoin team. And I didn't apply for #2067

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@guanxinlian Thank you for taking the time to respond. However, our question remains unanswered. We would like to know the reason behind storing nearly 70% of your data with a single entity or company. This action contradicts the rules set forth by Filecoin+.

herrehesse commented 1 year ago
Screenshot 2023-07-06 at 09 58 36

https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/2067

guanxinlian commented 1 year ago

@guanxinlian Thank you for taking the time to respond. However, our question remains unanswered. We would like to know the reason behind storing nearly 70% of your data with a single entity or company. This action contradicts the rules set forth by Filecoin+.

2067 I said that I did not apply for the data, and now I am completely looking for ldn to exchange data to meet the requirements of different areas of encapsulation mentioned by the project side, and I am also encapsulating data at different nodes, so I am not clear about what you said, that I have 70% of the data stored in the same company, I understand that one node encapsulates one piece of data. And I am still actively looking for other sp partners to carry out subsequent packaging. #2021 is also my first aws open data application

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@guanxinlian Let me make this simpler by adding your client data below:

sp client ipadres name location vpnresults percent
f02032191 f02204248 123.157.235.35   CN , Zhejiang , Jiaxing FALSE with fraudscore 0 22
f01843178 f02204248 220.168.154.104   CN , Hunan , Yiyang FALSE with fraudscore 0 9
f01969779 f02204248 159.89.177.42 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton TRUE with fraudscore 87 15
f0143858 f02204248 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton TRUE with fraudscore 75 15
f0240185 f02204248 159.203.96.29 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton TRUE with fraudscore 75 13
f02301 f02204248 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton TRUE with fraudscore 75 13
f03223 f02204248 159.65.189.52 topblocks US , New Jersey , Clifton TRUE with fraudscore 75 13

69% is stored at the same company.

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago
  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image
guanxinlian commented 1 year ago
  1. 我们在这里披露了F023012f0223,F014385f0240185是我们的。
  2. Vpn的使用是为了保护我们的卫生和植物免受网络攻击。这不是对地理位置的欺骗。我们的数据中心确实位于美国..
  3. 赫赫塔普联系我们来存储他的数据集,我们做到了。我们是不同的实体。#2054客户之间的平衡不是来自F1Eto4Dfafkoeuk31-oc7Vzexrvf6I4yqvhszrq2y。 形象

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago
  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I am sorry, but now i lost you. Are we now going into discussion that the data on the blockchain is wrong?

https://filfox.info/en/address/f1hhv5js4gxnw5z4vs7jvgr2cwygtp6gcecog4mui

f1hhv5js4gxnw5z4vs7jvgr2cwygtp6gcecog4mui is the wallet from this LDN . It has been funded by f1gwg6hajm752whcloffiirsvb4ujkhax34rfw3ty proving that the ownership is there.

LDN 1974 ( f1tzbllzb7nbmswrw4zgn2nnewqd45nj7qp7vajoy) is funded by f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y

As you can see in this message:

https://filfox.info/en/message/bafy2bzacec765a5l3cw32fr2r3jlpb6kmcckq5oo3kydvxowkpxpsbjg2nq62

Scherm­afbeelding 2023-07-06 om 10 34 17

They were transactions for funding.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago
  1. 我们在这里披露了F023012f0223,F014385f0240185是我们的。
  2. Vpn的使用是为了保护我们的卫生和植物免受网络攻击。这不是对地理位置的欺骗。我们的数据中心确实位于美国..
  3. 赫赫塔普联系我们来存储他的数据集,我们做到了。我们是不同的实体。#2054客户之间的平衡不是来自F1Eto4Dfafkoeuk31-oc7Vzexrvf6I4yqvhszrq2y。 形象

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

We by now know the excuse "I did not know." Blockchain knows.

guanxinlian commented 1 year ago
  1. 我们在这里披露了F023012f0223,F014385f0240185是我们的。
  2. Vpn的使用是为了保护我们的卫生和植物免受网络攻击。这不是对地理位置的欺骗。我们的数据中心确实位于美国..
  3. 赫赫塔普联系我们来存储他的数据集,我们做到了。我们是不同的实体。#2054客户之间的平衡不是来自F1Eto4Dfafkoeuk31-oc7Vzexrvf6I4yqvhszrq2y。 形象

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

We by now know the excuse "I did not know." Blockchain knows.

I don't know the reason why you're so unfriendly to everyone. I can only tell you that #2021 is the dc I applied for for the first time, and then I found different ldn to exchange data. I don't know whose wallet you mentioned. If the packaging ratio is not appropriate, I also have a limit to find other sp to cooperate with.

guanxinlian commented 1 year ago
  1. 我们在这里披露了F023012f0223,F014385f0240185是我们的。
  2. Vpn的使用是为了保护我们的卫生和植物免受网络攻击。这不是对地理位置的欺骗。我们的数据中心确实位于美国..
  3. 赫赫塔普联系我们来存储他的数据集,我们做到了。我们是不同的实体。#2054客户之间的平衡不是来自F1Eto4Dfafkoeuk31-oc7Vzexrvf6I4yqvhszrq2y。 形象

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I didn't know it, I was only in accordance with the requirements in the exchange data with other people, I also don't know F023012, f0223, F014385, f0240185 is the same company, and I took a look at this a few node has not reached 75%, the total storage I will ensure that each sp node encapsulation is more than 30%. Now I have only one node, f02032191, located in Jiaxing, Zhejiang. I have been actively looking for other sp partners

We by now know the excuse "I did not know." Blockchain knows.

I don't know the reason why you're so unfriendly to everyone. I can only tell you that #2021 is the dc I applied for for the first time, and then I found different ldn to exchange data. I don't know whose wallet you mentioned. If the packaging ratio is not appropriate, I also have a limit to find other sp to cooperate with.

Others are not willing to reply to your basically do not reply, I applied for the first dc you so targeted, really feel disappointed. Our original intention is not to make filecoin better and better on the way to storage, but you have been making it difficult for some customers to apply for dc

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago
  1. We here disclose f02301,f03223, f0143858,f0240185 are ours.
  2. The utilization of VPN is to protect our SPs from cyber attacks. It is NOT to spoof geographical location. Our data center is indeed located in the U.S..
  3. Huge-Top contacted us to store his dataset and we did. We are not the same entity. #2054 client balance is not from f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y. image

I am sorry, but now i lost you. Are we now going into discussion that the data on the blockchain is wrong?

https://filfox.info/en/address/f1hhv5js4gxnw5z4vs7jvgr2cwygtp6gcecog4mui

f1hhv5js4gxnw5z4vs7jvgr2cwygtp6gcecog4mui is the wallet from this LDN . It has been funded by f1gwg6hajm752whcloffiirsvb4ujkhax34rfw3ty proving that the ownership is there.

LDN 1974 ( f1tzbllzb7nbmswrw4zgn2nnewqd45nj7qp7vajoy) is funded by f1eto4dfafkoeukxenoc7vzexrvf6i4yqvhszrq2y

As you can see in this message:

https://filfox.info/en/message/bafy2bzacec765a5l3cw32fr2r3jlpb6kmcckq5oo3kydvxowkpxpsbjg2nq62

Scherm­afbeelding 2023-07-06 om 10 34 17

They were transactions for funding.

Yes, I told you that he is our partner. When we first started working together, we may have transferred fils to him, but this does not prove that we are the same entity. I remember this transfer in April is what he needed some fils.

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago

If we send some fils to you, are you also topblocks?

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

These transactions were made for the purpose of funding, and if you wish to challenge the evidence supporting these claims, you are welcome to do so. However, it is evident that the funding wallets are under the control of an entity that provided funds to both client wallets, and this raises significant suspicions.

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

"Yes, I told you that he is our partner. When we first started working together, we may have transferred fils to him, but this does not prove that we are the same entity. I remember this transfer in April is what he needed some fils."

Sorry but this does not make any sense at all. The main wallet clearly funded both of your client wallets, providing solid evidence of ownership and potential collusion. Any claims or denials cannot change the factual information recorded on the blockchain.

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago

This is not meaningless. Hugh-Top is a customer of our computing power business, this is normal business behavior, and we are still maintaining close contact.

These were originally trade secrets, but because this matter has affected the interests of both parties, it has been revealed reluctantly (it took a long time to communicate with the customer before they agreed to reveal it). This has seriously affected the business reputation of my company

This is our business introduction: image

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

It still seems that whatever you post here , that the transactions originate to one owner wallet and one organization. That's blockchain my friend.

I am sorry if i am interrupting your business plan running hundreds of machines where you control them for your customers, but the FIL+ rules and guidelines are clear here. You are allowed to store one replica per organization at those also need to be geographically spread , not only with a VPN, but for real. Pushing all these machines online and fill them 100% with the dedicated datacap you apply for is not the way forward and not what decentralization is all about.

Again, sorry if this was not clear to you when you started this pyramid. I will forward this to the governance team. I advise to stop using the datacap immediately and not make things worse then they are already are as the community will need to thing about a path proceeding forward with this.

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago

I finally understand that no matter what I say, your ultimate goal will not change.

Question:1 I told you that Hugh-Top is our computing power customer, and we have transferred the earnings of computing power to him. I don't think there is any problem with this, and it has been going on for three months now. As for how he uses his earnings, we have no right to ask.

Question 2 I have already explained the VPN issue.

Question 3 We have not 100% packaged ourselves, maybe in the early stage our four (f02301, f03223, f0143858, f0240185) nodes have a high packaging ratio, but it will decrease later, and it will definitely not exceed 25%.

We have explained what we can. I don't think we have violated the rules.

@Kevin-FF-USA @raghavrmadya Arguing like this is pointless. Please help review it. Thanks

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@jevticgallonsd1466 Your provided "responses" completely disregard the evident facts presented above. Your inquiries hold no significance in light of these facts.

  1. It doesn't matter who you or they are; rules are rules. Any violation will be held accountable.
  2. The use of VPN itself is not problematic, unless storage providers conceal their actual location to exploit additional self-dealing.
  3. Your claim is false; it exceeded 25% across all applications. The notion of it decreasing later holds no significance since rules are rules.

You are entitled to your thoughts and beliefs, but facts remain facts, and abuse is abuse. It's as simple as that.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

adding issue 1248 :

https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/1248

90% of datacap sealed by Topblocks.

Aaron01230 commented 1 year ago

For LDN https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/1974 ,I am the signer of the first round , and do not know the next sealing transactions. For LDN https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/2054, the applicant promise they will not store more than 30% of Datacap to the nodes and I believe them and the report shows they did it.

I don't think we have any responsibility.

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@Aaron01230, the information you provided is inaccurate. The self-dealing was evident in the initial CID report, and despite this, notaries proceeded to approve it.

woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

I am Harry from Topblocks, We prepare a ppt to clarify our relationship with f01979669 and VPN usage but do not have enough time to share it during the Notary Governance meeting

TopBlocks_Response_For#913.pptx

Our sealing plan is gravely disrupted, considering our deep involvement with Filecoin. As a leading storage provider for Filet, the integrity of our borrowing process from our partner Filet has been severely compromised, exposing us to substantial financial losses and the imminent threat of liquidation. These detrimental consequences arise directly from an unsubstantiated complaint lacking any valid grounds. If left unresolved, this situation could trigger a domino effect, leading to a potential exodus of storage providers from the ecosystem.

alchemypunk commented 1 year ago

image image image image image image

Now we can see all the true.

peter6wei commented 1 year ago

This is Peter from TopBlocks. I have been focusing more on the operational growth and taking an observational role in the notary governance. Our team is maintaining a reasonable record.

It was my first time attending the Notary Governance meeting yesterday, and I would like to express my gratitude to everyone, especially Kevin FF for moderating.

Here are a few thoughts I'd like to share:

  1. There seems to be an excessive "darkweb" mentality. While we are dealing with blockchain and distributed computing, it's important to remember that storage is a real-world business involving real people and real transactions. We shouldn't assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent. It's both amusing and disheartening to see anyone involved in the #913 discussion being labeled as "TopBlocks" and having to prove otherwise. They may be LDN or SP partners we know or may not know.
  2. It's true that transactions are recorded in the blockchain. We don't deny that. In the real world, monetary transactions between business partners are normal, as long as they are not a significant portion of the pledged collateral. Regarding f01969779 (Nick)'s case, the node currently has 89,000 FILs as pledge collateral. It would be unreasonable to consider it 'funded' if the transfer amount does not constitute a significant portion of the pledged collateral.
  3. VPN is currently a significant topic of discussion. It would be greatly appreciated if the work group or PL could provide clarification on whether VPN or proxy usage is prohibited or allowed under specific circumstances. In the event that they are prohibited, it is crucial to establish an enforcement action plan. If consensus cannot be reached on this issue, I propose that we refrain from weaponizing it for personal convenience or agendas.
  4. We have been involved with Filecoin since the Space Race days and were ranked No. 3 and No. 7 in North America (https://spacerace.filecoin.io/?region=021). Since then, we have continued to invest in Filecoin without selling any FIL during the 2021 spike. Some may consider this foolish, but we see it as a matter of belief. Yes, we have a long-term commitment to Filecoin. Our investments in this project have amounted to tens of millions so far, and we have a global team of over 30 members. This is not something we boast about; it's simply our dedication to the project.

Baseless complaints like these are seriously harming our business. With the case still ongoing, we are experiencing significant financial losses and disruptions to our execution plan. @herrehesse @raghavrmadya , we would suggest closing this case for now. If new substantial findings are raised, the case can be reopened. In my opinion, we are all learning how to maintain civility in this community. We should consider the implications of issuing injunctions, as precedents are established through cases, similar to the US common law system. Inaccurate or unsubstantial precedents can have a long-lasting impact that may be underestimated initially.

During my visit to China this week, I had the opportunity to meet a few SPs. I was impressed by everyone's journey and stories. I'm looking forward to meeting more fellow SPs, PL, and PikNik teams next week during ESPA.

Thank you for taking the time to read, and best wishes,

Peter

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

Thank you for taking time here and answering.

We can conclude that you acknowledge that the transactions are made on the blockchain. You acknowledge that you form one organisation as business partners cooperating solely with the goal to distribute and get the datacap. Different Github handles have been used to apply for datacap in the LDN’s and VPN’s have been used to have the machines appear all over the globe to make the CID reports look healthy.

I would like to initiate the procedure to remove the remaining datacap as the datacap has been used in violation of the program. Secondly we will initiate the discussion with fellow notary’s and a proposal with a timeframe to avoid your miners getting new datacap

Hugh-Top commented 1 year ago

I think you're here just to create chaos. You use some dubious evidence and announce it as a fact in other LDNs, which is highly misleading. You are ignoring other people's speech content, it is not worth me to reply to you. If someone, like you, has a grudge against an SP, can they adopt your method to harm others' legitimate interests?

woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

Hold on just one moment! It's a given that our transactions occur on the blockchain, they've always happened there. Why on earth would we need to 'admit' that as if it's some kind of wrongdoing? And where did we ever concede that TopBlocks and f01969779 are part of the same organization? Point out the exact place where we stated this! How dare you arrive at such conclusions? Why are you blatantly disregarding our clearly stated perspectives? What is your purpose in drawing such seriously misleading conclusions?

You need to get moving on this right now! Why not initiate a community vote today? And if the community disagrees with your proposal, Will you bear any consequences?

@raghavrmadya @Kevin-FF-USA as the moderator of this group, your intervention is needed. We've hit a deadlock where even clear English words are being grossly misinterpreted. Communication has become excessively difficult.

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@woshidama323 @Hugh-Top @peter6wei @jevticgallonsd1466

None of you have presented any evidence in response to the data presented in this issue. Instead, you have primarily focused on explaining your identities, roles, and portraying yourselves as victims. I would like to suggest that you provide factual responses to the valid research that has been conducted, along with the corresponding conclusions:

Rather than creating a lot of noise, dismissing our findings as misinterpretation, and questioning the accuracy of our facts, I urge you to respond with substantial counterarguments and address the aforementioned points.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

I think you're here just to create chaos. You use some dubious evidence and announce it as a fact in other LDNs, which is highly misleading. You are ignoring other people's speech content, it is not worth me to reply to you. If someone, like you, has a grudge against an SP, can they adopt your method to harm others' legitimate interests?

In my opinion you exploited the FIL+ program in a way to the sole benefit of your organisation. By doing this you are taking away profit (aka blockrewards) of honest players in the community. Plain said, you are taking something that does not belong to you.

Given all the evidence above the only thing you think about is your own reputation and financial gains… you want this removed asap. There is no single spike of regret of your actions here or a “hey, sorry, perhaps this was not the smartest thing to do after all” .

My opinion therefore stands. This issue should be kept open and the steps recommended should be followed ( removing datacap etc )

ndnccs commented 1 year ago

According to the observation "@cryptowhizzard" @herrehesse", from the same organization. I am curious, why there are two notaries in the same organization. Second, since the notary system, every community chaos is caused by them. Suggestion Proposal to remove the above two notaries.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

According to the observation "@cryptowhizzard" @herrehesse", from the same organization. I am curious, why there are two notaries in the same organization. Second, since the notary system, every community chaos is caused by them. Suggestion Proposal to remove the above two notaries.

Lol … if we don’t like the evidence let’s make it disappear 🫠

Anyway, there is no chaos. We did not create chaos, we opened a governance issue to remedy this exploitation of Fil+ by Topblocks with clear solutions and evidence.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

By the way:

Topblocks behaviour is also affecting others in the community with Fil-E applications for example. By providing false information to Jennifer in this issue this LDN got in trouble.

https://github.com/filecoin-project/filecoin-plus-large-datasets/issues/1248

ndnccs commented 1 year ago

Hi, I appreciate your professionalism, especially your technique. But your emotional intelligence is not good. You may not know how much influence implicated notaries have on FiL. Without them, it is impossible for fil computing power to grow so fast. It will face selling pressure, and the market price of FiL will be lower than it is now. It will do you no good if they are pushed out by you. "Blowing out other lamps will not make you brighter. Blocking the way of others will not make you go further."

ndnccs commented 1 year ago

If your community will fully follow the rules, it will be after all sectors are Fil+. After the search reward mechanism is perfected.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

Hi, I appreciate your professionalism, especially your technique. But your emotional intelligence is not good. You may not know how much influence implicated notaries have on FiL. Without them, it is impossible for fil computing power to grow so fast. It will face selling pressure, and the market price of FiL will be lower than it is now. It will do you no good if they are pushed out by you. "Blowing out other lamps will not make you brighter. Blocking the way of others will not make you go further."

My personal opinion:

You say “without then it is impossible to grow fast”.

I explained that with this you take away block rewards of honest players. I don’t mind growing fast but this should be done in a honest way, not like this because then we loose the honest and bad players together.

Secondly the liquidation pressure is higher from people who don’t play by the rules and want to avoid getting their datacap slashed and funds blocked and getting caught. Honest players stay in the system much longer because they believe in it.

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

"Without them, it is impossible for fil computing power to grow so fast"

Datacap granted to datasets is meant to onboard new clients, add value to the ecosystem and bring the filecoin price to new highs. You are merely using it for fast growing, is the exact reason for the problems we found. The self dealing is against the rules and as was already noted by @cryptowhizzard:

We can conclude that you acknowledge that the transactions are made on the blockchain. You acknowledge that you form one organisation as business partners cooperating solely with the goal to distribute and get the datacap. Different Github handles have been used to apply for datacap in the LDN’s and VPN’s have been used to have the machines appear all over the globe to make the CID reports look healthy.

I would like to initiate the procedure to remove the remaining datacap as the datacap has been used in violation of the program. Secondly we will initiate the discussion with fellow notary’s and a proposal with a timeframe to avoid your miners getting new datacap

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

I kindly request the removal of this client and the remaining datacap. Despite several accusations, no evidence has been provided against it, merely biased suggestion without any facts. There has been no progress, so I urge you to take appropriate action.

I also recommend initiating a dispute or removal process for the notaries involved, as it appears that a significant portion of them are recurring abusers (see open issues).

woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

@herrehesse @cryptowhizzard Given your reasoning that transfers from a common account suggest a single entity, could you elucidate on the transaction matter in #1552? Are we to assume that all these SPs constitute one entity? FILPlusRelation-Page-5 (1)

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PCCW Global, Inc. bafy2bzacectyifu2hazrqujgywo7hnj6uhgmrj7ve7o7bpb2bwq6ydsxuwfnk bafy2bzacecvuqweathayhyfpqikd5ikapgttugu6jfyfo2uejatz3y5v3x34g bafy2bzaceakqwlhjpkfp6jp3njialmwz3ej5rtrh6oz7emhvxsypo4dlc6wcw bafy2bzacedxykatd672bcjp5tge2zkexmkb5oqqwkgzovths3bkdhowguw7m4 bafy2bzacea7jeddnb2hd24nacnspcgocna2msqrgehkjoubkrtxz5mwcbipcw

PiKNiK & Company Inc. bafy2bzaceamwiqk5ha6oqswd3vniv4z4bm4s6q6md477qifsuhi5vbcwyolbe

Packet Host, Inc. bafy2bzacebmjcnsj575qw4weftbmodcxtbe4qgmfppn6acavtvbjvkd3u63fa `

Then we will raise a new issue for reporting your abuse issue.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

@herrehesse @cryptowhizzard Given your reasoning that transfers from a common account suggest a single entity, could you elucidate on the transaction matter in #1552? Are we to assume that all these SPs constitute one entity? FILPlusRelation-Page-5 (1)

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DATACOM SYSTEMS (AU) PTY LTD bafy2bzaced7c2pfwha7a5lr43fsdjqjkvd4zhuiiylgyhmcjg2lh3hotpspc6 bafy2bzacedkegwgiw5lzn7mu4leexyjocwqh2t7ggnmz2xyibwupeh77fevgk bafy2bzacedw5afn3f4eywezjhwhmvwqsimzjyfin4pqj7dujrm7wie5mjh53m bafy2bzaced2vemdkk433dg6lie3huevhurqkqy55ql6d2wmp7yoi6ihbsfytg

PCCW Global, Inc. bafy2bzacectyifu2hazrqujgywo7hnj6uhgmrj7ve7o7bpb2bwq6ydsxuwfnk bafy2bzacecvuqweathayhyfpqikd5ikapgttugu6jfyfo2uejatz3y5v3x34g bafy2bzaceakqwlhjpkfp6jp3njialmwz3ej5rtrh6oz7emhvxsypo4dlc6wcw bafy2bzacedxykatd672bcjp5tge2zkexmkb5oqqwkgzovths3bkdhowguw7m4 bafy2bzacea7jeddnb2hd24nacnspcgocna2msqrgehkjoubkrtxz5mwcbipcw

PiKNiK & Company Inc. bafy2bzaceamwiqk5ha6oqswd3vniv4z4bm4s6q6md477qifsuhi5vbcwyolbe

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Then we will raise a new issue for reporting your abuse issue.

You are a true 🦸‍♂️ … a real warrior! You actually found out how blockchain works, true amazing. Because of this great result i will share and reveal the organization. They are called

Anchorage!!!!!

Congrats on your results. Now can we go back to work??

woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

Welcome back to the business world. Now you agree that a financial transaction between two accounts doesn't mean an internal transaction inside an entity. Now you realize that your original allegation is insane.

I don't know which "whizzard" is talking about. It is pretty fun to debate yourself ?

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

Welcome back to business world. Now you agree that a financial transaction between two accounts doesn't mean an internal transaction inside an entity. Now you realize that your original allegation is insane.

Unless two organisations are really the same entity as confessed above. Their “business secret”.

jevticgallonsd1466 commented 1 year ago

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woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

That's enough. It's futile to further waste our time on you. You hastily made conclusions on an issue you instigated, despite the glaring lack of sufficient evidence, which is not only irresponsible but also profoundly unfair. Despite presenting proofs, you dismiss them; despite our counterarguments, you resort to sophistry. Intriguingly, you're not even a part of the FILplus management team. Post the ESPA meeting, we intend to reintroduce topics related to 811 and involve a greater number of SPs and notaries in the discussions. We must express our gratitude for inadvertently uniting more SPs, although it might have compromised the FILPlus project. It's baffling, considering we've previously procured DC from you and even collaborated before. What exactly is your business rationale? How does this behavior benefit you?

herrehesse commented 1 year ago

@woshidama323 none of your claims hold any ground and you are completely unable to explain any of the accusations factually.

It’s endeed enough.

cryptowhizzard commented 1 year ago

That's enough. It's futile to further waste our time on you. You hastily made conclusions on an issue you instigated, despite the glaring lack of sufficient evidence, which is not only irresponsible but also profoundly unfair. Despite presenting proofs, you dismiss them; despite our counterarguments, you resort to sophistry. Intriguingly, you're not even a part of the FILplus management team. Post the ESPA meeting, we intend to reintroduce topics related to 811 and involve a greater number of SPs and notaries in the discussions. We must express our gratitude for inadvertently uniting more SPs, although it might have compromised the FILPlus project. It's baffling, considering we've previously procured DC from you and even collaborated before. What exactly is your business rationale? How does this behavior benefit you?

The best cost-efficient Filecoin mining machine - TopBlocks.pdf

This is a screenshot of the website. Topblocks offers these mining machines to its customers, including FiL+ . ( engage in FiL+, more blocks more profit ) They control them, they do the maintenance thus they form one organisation.

I won’t even start about the 110% luck rate 😂

woshidama323 commented 1 year ago

This is a screenshot of the website. Topblocks offers these mining machines to its customers, including FiL+ . ( engage in FiL+, more blocks more profit ) They control them, they do the maintenance thus they form one organisation.

Could you please refrain from exhibiting ignorance or behaving childishly?