Closed ColinEberhardt closed 2 years ago
Thanks, Colin for this thoughtful proposal. I would appreciate more color on the need for the TSC. Is it that FINOS projects proposals are being delayed due to a lack of capacity by the BOD? is it that we need more coordination between projects? We can also explore multiple ways to address the issues including increasing BOD frequency or size to help out.
Echoing @eranbarak - Thanks @ColinEberhardt for getting this started.
@eranbarak, I can chime in here given this is a conversation that has been ongoing at the Governing Board level for a while (in fact this step of community socialization is the next step we agreed with the Governing Board before further top-down determinations are made).
The problems we are trying to solve / opportunities we're trying to generate (see 2021Q4 governing board deck) in principle are:
To your point, Governing Board overload is a relatively minor reason for this and there would be other avenues to address that. But when putting all the reasons together a TSC seems sensible, but of course I'd love to hear more from the Community.
Finally, comparable wise, all Linux Foundation umbrella projects of our size have a comparable proven-to-be-useful construct and even FINOS, in his previous Symphony Software Foundation embodiment, has an Engineering Steering Committee (ESCo).
Thanks for the additional color. Makes perfect sense.
This sounds interesting and I am fully supportive. As the lead of one of the projects, I have found it difficult to see the synergies between mine and other projects and I am hoping that this proposal would assist in this. External technical support, sponsorship and direction would be useful to assist the project too.
Also @mindthegab mentions portfolio ownership - I think a holistic view of a portfolio products and strategy would be useful to help us identify gaps in the offering which we can then actively look to fill - perhaps similar to CNCF's landscape approach.
This sounds interesting and I am fully supportive.
Thanks @peter-thomas-db
I think it's a great idea as well.
:+1: makes perfect sense to me
:+1: Logical.
I think that is necessary. I am serving in the steering committee of the SLSA project and there are several areas where the TSC can help make the connection beyond the FINOS ecosystem. I want to volunteer myself to TSC collaborate. Count on me.
@brunodom, that is interesting re SLSA, I think we are interested in that within the DevOps Mutualisation group - so that's already an example of synergy 💯
Another +1 from me. In addition to the other points, I agree that a holistic strategic view across projects and their potential interrelations would be beneficial all around.
This makes good sense. The TSC can help create and guide a coherent technical vision for the org & its projects, open and promote collaboration points for the projects, and remove a big burden from the board (where it shouldn't be, anyway).
Big +1 to the idea in concept, but I'd like to see proposed charter wording for this governance change before making any final decision. The devil is always in details.
Good idea, I'd be happy to be involved pending employer approval...
Thanks @jonfreedman very much appreciated
Fully supportive to the initiative, I strongly believe in innovation networks, fuelled by the synergies the TSC can identify and promote. I'd like to participate actively.
Thank you for thoroughly outlining the key responsibilities. Red Hat is supportive of the initiative and would like to be involved.
This sounds interesting and I am fully supportive. As the lead of one of the projects, I have found it difficult to see the synergies between mine and other projects and I am hoping that this proposal would assist in this. External technical support, sponsorship and direction would be useful to assist the project too.
Also @mindthegab mentions portfolio ownership - I think a holistic view of a portfolio products and strategy would be useful to help us identify gaps in the offering which we can then actively look to fill - perhaps similar to CNCF's landscape approach.
@peter-thomas-db that's exactly the goal - a more proactive management of landscape.finos.org would be one of the primary goals of the TSC (and partially the reason I hired @jgavronsky :).
I think that is necessary. I am serving in the steering committee of the SLSA project and there are several areas where the TSC can help make the connection beyond the FINOS ecosystem. I want to volunteer myself to TSC collaborate. Count on me.
Thanks @brunodom - it would be paramount to have pre-existing TSC experience, so we'd love to have you involved. Thanks for the support and the offer!
@ColinEberhardt thanks for getting this started - from a qualitative glance, it seems there's overwhelming / unanimous community support for the creation of a TSC.
The next step is to discuss more specifically on:
If we can do this through Feb, then the goal would be to bring a proposal to the Membership & Governance Committee in March and potentially to the GB in April.
I wonder if it makes sense to open a separate issue to discuss that, and close this one referencing the new issue.
Thanks for summarising @mindthegab - yes, looks like there is quite a lot of support for this idea. I'll raise a new issue with next steps, outlining the composition of the TSC, and how we form the initial group.
I wonder if it makes sense to open a separate issue to discuss that, and close this one referencing the new issue.
Yes, I think that makes sense. Let's close this one down, and I'll create a new issue shortly.
Late to the game but just want to say this is a great idea, and I would love to be involved in some capacity. I think there are lots of opportunities for synergies across the FINOS project estate, and I have had several such discussions with various projects about it!
Thanks @rikoe - really appreciate your support.
This all makes a lot of sense to me. I'd be keen to volunteer myself and I know my employer also supports this idea (Accenture).
Spent a bit of time catching up on TSC at today's KDB Project Call.
One point of interest was the job posting for "Senior Technical Architect - FINOS":
Will that person chair the TSC?
Hey @alvin-c-shih, good eye :)
I believe @ColinEberhardt will open a separate issue to discuss more specifically composition, but while of course we would expect the Senior Technical Architect Role to represent FINOS and support the TSC, if you ask me, I'd rather see a TSC Chair from the Community, appointed by the TSC itsef, and getting a Governing Board seat to represent the TSC, and more broadly technical landscape, at Governing Board level.
Thanks everyone for your input - much appreciated. The conversation has now moved to the next RFC, which outlines the formation / election process https://github.com/finos/community/issues/162
This issue is a Request for Feedback (RFC) regarding the formation of a Technical Steering Committee (TSC). The purpose of the RFC is to outline the key responsibilities of a TSC and the benefits this would deliver to FINOS.
We are keen to receive feedback from member organisations and contributors alike on any aspect of this RFC, which will remain open until Jan 31st 2022.
FINOS activities are currently organised around three constructs:
The activities that the SIGs and Projects undertake are guided by a combination of the FINOS team and the FINOS Governing Board. As FINOS increases in size, with a healthy pipeline of new projects to approve and a growing portfolio to manage, this is becoming a significant undertaking.
With the formation of a TSC, a construct commonly found in large open source foundations (e.g. CNCF TOC, Hyperledger TSC, LFN TAB, etc.), we are looking to create a technically focused steering / decision making group that complements the Governing Board. At a high level:
The TSC would be an elected group, with representation on the Governing Board (for example, it’s common for the TSC chair to sit on the Governing Board). The TSC would have the following responsibilities:
The TSC would meet regularly (likely monthly), with an agenda that focuses on the responsibilities outlined above. As an illustration, here some concrete decisions which could constitute a potential agenda for the initial meeting should a TSC be ratified by the Board:
There is further work required to elaborate the TSC composition and election process. For now, we’d like to focus discussion on:
Please provide your feedback below!