DevOps Automation SIG Meeting - Feb 15, 2024

[ashukla13]

Date

Thursday, Feb 15 2024 - 12pm ET; 5pm UK

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Agenda

• [x] Convene, roll call, welcome new people

• [x] Approve previous meeting minutes

• [ ] Working Group updates

  • [ ] Architecture as Code - @rocketstack-matt / @yt-ms
  • [ ] Backstage - @cnygardtw
  • [ ] OSS Supply Chain Risk Management - @johnmark
  • [ ] Automated Change Deployment - @rvema

• [x] AI Code Assistants - integration approach and considerations at banks - topic for March meeting - @ashukla13

• [ ] Add Items Here

• [x] AOB, Q&A & Adjourn (5mins)

  Decisions Made

• [ ] Decision 1

• [ ] Decision 2

• [ ] ...

Action Items

• [ ] Action 1
• [ ] Action 2
• [ ] ...

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[rocketstack-matt]

Matthew Bain / Morgan Stanley

[ashukla13]

Amol Shukla/Morgan Stanley

[cnygardtw]

Carl Nygard / Thoughtworks

[psmulovics]

Peter Smulovics / Morgan Stanley

[ashukla13]

Meeting minutes:

• @rocketstack-matt provided an update on current status of the Arch as Code working group
  • Initial JSON Schema (CALM) has been evolving, currently working on migration to a meta-schema / dialect approach to provide better end user experience / stronger validation.
  • Work with @jpgough-ms on use of the CALM model for pre-defined architecture patterns.
  • hackday next week
  • Work has begun on looking at mapping between CALM and C4.
• @cnygardtw provided an update on Backstage working group
  • lot of new folks joining
  • Kristoph (sp?) - guest speaker from Redhat - to talk about contributions to upstream Backstage project
  • On going discussion with Mark Jorgensen on dealing with entitlements
  • Work on a reference architecture for Backstage at large regulated orgs continues; Thoughtworks/Carl working on contributing code; also working with Spotify on allowing use of their paid plugins; meant as starting point for other banks to contribute as well
• Discussion on AI code assistants
  • Carl suggested Thoughtworks can provide input on what they are seeing re gen ai code assistants incl. guardrails for regulated industries.
  • Karl pointed to ongoing SIG proposal for Gen AI - https://github.com/finos/community/issues/303
  • Amol to propose using March 21 meeting on a discussion (within FINOS guidelines) on a narrow subset of AI code assistants - how banks are approaching adoption, controls/risk, and benefits. Will create a new issue and send to Karl for socializing within FINOS
  • Discussion on use cases in banks for gen ai code assistants

[karlmoll]

Karl Moll / FINOS

[rocketstack-matt]

Per conversation, example of using AI in the context of an 'expert software architect' - https://www.accidental-architect.com/archgpt

[karlmoll]

https://github.com/finos/community/issues/303

[ColinEberhardt]

Regarding AI coding assistants, we've been doing our own research into their effectiveness:

https://blog.scottlogic.com/2023/12/18/software-development-ai-wins-the-race.html

We're also working with am FS organisation to explore productivity gains, technical and privacy challenges. We'd certainly be interested in joining this discussion. Thanks for the pointer @rocketstack-matt

[ashukla13]

@ColinEberhardt this is fantastic. I have raised a topic (https://github.com/finos/devops-automation/issues/181) that we'd like to discuss at the next SIG meeting in March (https://github.com/finos/devops-automation/issues/182)

If you're able to join and contribute that'd be great!