DevOps Automation SIG Meeting - March 21, 2024

[ashukla13]

Date

Thursday, March 21 2024 - 12pm ET; 4pm UK

Untracked attendees

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Agenda

• [ ] Convene, roll call, welcome new people

• [x] Approve previous meeting minutes

• [x] Working Group updates

  • [ ] Architecture as Code - @rocketstack-matt / @yt-ms
  • [ ] Backstage - @cnygardtw
  • [ ] OSS Supply Chain Risk Management - @johnmark
  • [ ] Automated Change Deployment - @rvema

• [x] #181

• [x] Approaches on Deprecation of Programming Languages and Tech Stacks - NatWest

  Decisions Made

• [ ] Decision 1

• [ ] Decision 2

• [ ] ...

Action Items

• [ ] Action 1
• [ ] Action 2
• [ ] ...

Zoom info

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[rvema]

Ragha Vema | Fannie Mae

[ashukla13]

amol shukla/morgan stanley

[karlmoll]

Karl Moll / FINOS

[mcleo-d]

James McLeod / NatWest

[mcleo-d]

Wilson Sinclair / NatWest

[alvin-c-shih]

Alvin Shih / Morgan Stanley

[karlmoll]

Attended: Frank Schawillie - RBC

[ashukla13]

Minutes

• Updates from working group
  • @rvema raised question on raising surveys on specific topics like change mgmt approach at members. @mcleo-d raised prior surveys including OSS readiness and also the annual surveys; also brought up getting information through informal demos and knowledge sharing through meeting. Discussion on potentially merging the Software supply chain and automated change deployment working group perspective - since the software supply chain seems to have traction
  • @ashukla13 provided a summary of #183
  • @karlmoll summarized Arch as code working group meetings - lots of demos and lively discussion; see also #185
  • @karlmoll summarzied Backstage working group meeting - including RedHat led discussion and reinforced interest in Backstage in FSI. @mcleo-d reiterated strategic importance of Backstage. Discussion on whether SIG should developer portal broadly - not just Backstage. @ashukla13 to raise this with @cnygardtw at the next meeting
• For #181 - see minutes here
  • Wilson Sinclair/NatWest provided an overview of lifecycle management of programming languages - including how to introduce new ones and decommission legacy ones; @mcleo-d brought up many organizations are doing tech radars and lifecycle mgmt based on just internal information; would be great to consider an industry radar (like thoughtworks tech radar) or even get an external/industry view on where member banks are; would also help to benchmark where your org is vs. the industry. This discussion will continue in April

[rocketstack-matt]

Matthew Bain / Morgan Stanley

[karlmoll]

Code Generation Indemnity Further Reading referenced on today's call

Existing policies: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2023/09/07/copilot-copyright-commitment-ai-legal-concerns/ https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/protecting-customers-with-generative-ai-indemnification

Reporting coverage: https://www.runtime.news/ai-vendors-promised-indemnification-against-copyright-lawsuits-the-details-are-messy/ https://learn.g2.com/ai-code-generators-legal-considerations