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Geometric or aerodynamic free area in FDS? #12161

Closed jameschampion20 closed 1 year ago

jameschampion20 commented 1 year ago

Hi All,

I run and review a lot of FDS models that use automatic opening vents (AOVs) for smoke clearance purposes.

A questions I’ve been getting asked a lot lately is whether the free area of the AOV that I’ve modeled is a geometric or aerodynamic free area? I typically model a head of stair AOV in FDS as a 1m2 hole as this is the UK geometric free area requirement - see here for example: https://sertus.uk/blog/roof-vent-areas#:~:text=Geometric%20Area%20%2D%20the%20hole%20in,by%20the%20Coefficient%20of%20Discharge.

However, am I right in saying that FDS assumes that the vent is 100% efficient and effectively assumes that the coefficient of discharge = 1? For example, are frictional losses accounted for or not in FDS?

Therefore, would a more accurate modeling approach in FDS be to model a 0.7m2 hole (which is the minimum UK aerodynamic free area requirement for a head of stair AOV)?

Thanks in advance,

James

mcgratta commented 1 year ago

If you explicitly open a HOLE in a wall, there is no explicit specification of a discharge coefficient. FDS simply models the flow based on its solution of the discretized Navier-Stokes equations and empirical wall models. If you specify a "leak" or HVAC duct, there are ways to specify a discharge coefficient.

jameschampion20 commented 1 year ago

Thanks Kevin for the response,

Would another option be to reduce the free area of the vent (to say 0.7m2) and effectively model the aerodynamic free area from the start?

drjfloyd commented 1 year ago

The C_d=0.7 results from the flow stream expending energy as it necks down entering the orifce and expands leaving. In a hand caclulation or a model like CFAST where you are not modeling the 3D flow field, the way you account for that effect is with a discharge coefficient. In a CFD model, you are modeliing the flow field with equations that conserve mass, momentum, and energy. With sufficient grid resolution you will appromixate the correct discharge coefficient.

jameschampion20 commented 1 year ago

Thanks Jason, so modelling the vent as a 1m2 hole, having a fine enough mesh, and not explicitly specifying a discharge coefficient would suffice in FDS?

Thanks,

James

drjfloyd commented 1 year ago

The Validation Guide has metrics on flows through openings from simulations of 11 test series. The over all model statistics are a bias of 1.02 with an 8 % uncertainty. C_d=0.7 is an approximate value. C_d can be lower or higher depending on factors like size of the opening vs. the wall area.

You can always run a simple test case of a compartment with an orifice in the wall where you add or remove air inside the compartment and then look at the pressure field.

jameschampion20 commented 1 year ago

Thanks Jason, based on the bias and uncertainty results, and given that FDS is a 3D solver, it would appear that it is sufficient to retain the 1m2 hole size and not prescribe a discharge coefficient as long as the mesh used to resolve the hole is sufficiently fine. The wall solvers in FDS will factor in things like friction into their calculations, provided a high enough grid resolution.

Please let me know if my interpretation is correct and if you have any additional comments.

Thanks,

James

mcgratta commented 1 year ago

Correct. Test different grid sizes for convergence.