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sm predictions from flavio for CMS B0→K*mumu angular analysis #235

Open pdinie831 opened 11 months ago

pdinie831 commented 11 months ago

Dear Flavio authors,

I'm writing on behalf of the CMS group performing the angular analysis of the B0->K*mumu decay. As the analysis is approaching its final stages, we would like to compare our results to the SM predictions obtained from Flavio for the FL and P_i parameters. Following the instructions on the webpage we made a first attempt, which you can find here [1]. We would like to know if we are using flavio (version 2.5.5) correctly, and the meaning of this warning that we get while we execute our flavio script: "UserWarning: The QCDF corrections should not be trusted for q2 above 6 GeV^2".

We thank you in advance for your help and suggestions. If it's more convenient, we are of course available for discussion.

Thanks again, Paolo Dini

[1] https://github.com/pdinie831/PredictionFlavio/tree/main https://github.com/pdinie831/PredictionFlavio/tree/main

DavidMStraub commented 11 months ago

Hi Paolo. I'll leave it to @peterstangl to address your question, but would just like to point out the discussions in https://github.com/flav-io/flavio/issues/198 and https://github.com/flav-io/flavio/issues/229 that might be related, even if it's a different decay.

peterstangl commented 11 months ago

Hi Paolo,

in flavio, parts of the non-local b->sll matrix elements are implemented following QCD factorization (QCDF), which can only be used for $q^2$ up to ~ 6 or7 $\text{GeV}^2$ (see arXiv:hep-ph/0008255, arXiv:hep-ph/0106067 arXiv:hep-ph/0412400). So for the bin [6,8] $\text{GeV}^2$, the theory prediction from flavio is not reliable and should not be used. This is the meaning of the warning "UserWarning: The QCDF corrections should not be trusted for q2 above 6 GeV^2".

You should also not use the flavio prediction for the region between the two narrow charmonium resonances (your bin [10.09, 12.86] $\text{GeV}^2$).

Above the narrow charmonium resonances, the theory predictions are only valid for sufficiently global, i.e. integrated, observables in the region above ~ 15 $\text{GeV}^2$, see arXiv:1101.5118. In practice this means that comparisons between theory and experiments in the high $q^2$ region should use the widest possible bins and these bins should start not considerably below 15 $\text{GeV}^2$. This means that also for your bin [14.18, 16] $\text{GeV}^2$, the theory prediction is not reliable. For comparison, LHCb uses the bin [15, 19] $\text{GeV}^2$ in their analyses of the B0->K*mumu decay in the high $q^2$ region.

Let me also mention that the bin [1,2] $\text{GeV}^2$ is not ideal due to the presence of the $\phi(1020)$ at 1 $\text{GeV}^2$, which is not included in the theory prediction. For a comparison with theory it would be better to start the bin at 1.1 $\text{GeV}^2$ (which is also what LHCb is doing).

Finally just a small comment about your code: the flavio function sm_uncertainty has an optional argument N to specify the number of random evaluations of the observable when determining the uncertainty. The default value is N=100 and the relative accuracy of the uncertainty is given by $1/\sqrt{2N}$. So to get more accurate results for the uncertainties, you should use a larger N (e.g 5000 for a 1% relative accuracy). (see the API documentation https://flav-io.github.io/apidoc/flavio/functions.m.html#flavio.functions.sm_uncertainty)