fluid.ampslice~ helpfile improvements

[rconstanzo]

I was hoping the new fluid...feature~ objects would take care of this, but since the fluid.ampslice~ object only spits out the differential curve, having something like (a much tidier version of) this in the main fluid.ampslice~ helpfile would be very useful for tweaking the parameters:

Having fluid.ampfeature~ helps a bit as you can now see the differential, but in a way that makes all the parameters more confusing as the relationship between the parameter and the differential is not immediately obvious (rather, it impacts the differential in a way that is potentially counterintuitive to getting appropriate settings).

I may, for example, determine from the following changes that fastrampdown directly controls the "offset" of the differential:

This is obviously the case here, but it's not "what that parameter does".

[rconstanzo]

Actually in looking at @tedmoore's handy documentation for fluid.ampslice~ (link), having an interactive overlay would be good solution for tweaking things.

[rconstanzo]

Also this tab is super confusing.

I was staring at the blue square for a while wondering the significance, then thinking it relates to the text description to its right.

This should be, at most, a subpatch called p simpleKick or something so it doesn't distract.

Also these steps aren't really a good explanation. Step 4 makes it seem like the solution to the jitteriness is to add a bigger lockout, which can help, but better results can be gotten by having appropriate (or better) on/off thresholds (@onthreshold 25 @offthreshold 0). Basically step 4 is teaching "the wrong lesson" IMO.

Lastly, the delay~ 44100 1 is super surplus to requirements here. The latency of fluid.ampslice~ can never be greater than 0 (why does it even have an attrui for latency actually?). It also makes the patch look like there's 1 second of delay compensation being applied, when in fact the latency in this specific example is actually 0.

[tedmoore]

I'll let @jamesb93 respond to the Max-specific stuff, but I'll jump in just to say that this is really nice:

Do you have Max drawing all of this in real-time? It would be really great for teaching! Can you share it with us? The images you reference on learn.flucoma.org (link) were made using FluidWaveform in SuperCollider, but nothing in real-time.

[jamesb93]

I'll let @jamesb93 respond to the Max-specific stuff, but I'll jump in just to say that this is really nice:

Do you have Max drawing all of this in real-time? It would be really great for teaching! Can you share it with us? The images you reference on learn.flucoma.org (link) were made using FluidWaveform in SuperCollider, but nothing in real-time.

I think it's just overlayed multisliders so its definitely possible to recreate. @rconstanzo if you have it I can incorporate it.

[rconstanzo]

Pfft, live.scope~ > multisliders in every possible way!

But yes @tedmoore, that is realtime. I want to say for that screenshot I did some smoothing on each of the outputs so it "looks better", though perhaps not as accurate. It will also likely get a bit messy with getattrs everywhere to translate stuff since fluid.ampfeature~ doesn't natively output the actual curves.

Here's a code snippet:

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[rconstanzo]

Here's an updated version of this test/visualization patch. It's a shame attruis don't survive getting wrapped in a subpatcher, as this version has fluid.ampfeature~ going into a gen~ thing @weefuzzy posted on the forum a while back to also get a gate output from "ampslice":

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