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Data on apparent discontinuous NPs in the Cariban family
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Akawaio: coreferential A? #40

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fmatter commented 1 year ago

Are dok a and turonggong ya coreferential?

(ra-personal-narrative-138) Akawaio (Caesar-Fox 2003)

mörö yau rö yago're da dok a mörö turonggong ya rö mörau rö yago're ta dok ya rö tudombagong ezagï tok a  
mörö yau rö    yago're        ta  tok ya  mörö  turonnö-gong ya  rö    mörau rö    yago're        ta  tok ya  rö    t-tomba-gong          ezagï tok ya 
that Loc Emph  brother.in.law say 3Pl Erg Fut   another-Pl   Erg Emph  there Emph  brother.in.law say 3Pl Erg Emph  3.Rfl-relative-Pl.Psr name  3Pl Erg  
Dem  P   Prtcl N              Vt  Pro P   Prtcl N            P   Prtcl Adv   Prtcl N              Vt  Pro P   Prtcl N                     Vt    Pro P  
‘Within there some others would say yago're, this is how they would call their relative’
SpikeGildea commented 1 year ago

Yeah, turonggong ya feels like an elaboration of tok ya, and in any event it doesn't to have its own predicate, so what else could it be?

fmatter commented 1 year ago

A prosodically integrated afterthought elaboration, or a discontinuous noun phrase with a doubled postposition? Or is this a very good example of both? :)

fmatter commented 1 year ago

I just now noticed that postverbal mörö intervenes here; should mörö not wrap up the predicate, so to speak?

SpikeGildea commented 1 year ago

Yes, which argues that turonggong ya is an afterthought whose prosodic separation was not indicated in the transcription.

SpikeGildea commented 1 year ago

Did you decide to listen to the sound file maybe?

fmatter commented 1 year ago

I had not revisited this issue after we'd got the audio working. Here it is; I can't match the transcription with the audio after said mörö.

ra-personal-narrative-138.webm

SpikeGildea commented 1 year ago

Yeah, for sure I don't hear the turonggong ya rö, but the rest I could believe in, especially given the number of times I have simply not heard mumbles myself and then had multiple speakers give me the same exact repetition of stuff that was absolutely not there in the acoustic signal!

mörö yau rö yago're da dok a mörö turonggong ya rö mörau rö yago're ta dok ya rö tudombagong ezagï tok a