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System for declaration of subjective font quality scores #3383

Open davelab6 opened 3 years ago

davelab6 commented 3 years ago

https://fontstand.com/news/knowledge/evaluating-the-quality-of-a-typeface/ has a nice list of things to consider a font family "good quality", and many are unlikely to be easy to implement as font bakery checks.

However, along with the project's fb config, it should be possible to have a profile of checks for these things, which simply checks that config file for attestations that these things have been done.

This is a bit vague, so I'm assigning it to Felipe and also Simon, Denis and Adam, to think about and get back with a more concrete plan in the coming weeks :)

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

Today we had a video call in which we discussed the structure of the Unified Font Repo and when we were talking about the FontBakery report and discussing ways to deal with FAILs that are silenced by disabling specific checks, the fb config file was brought up again as a potential solution.

Then I once more suggested that when we do so, it should be mandatory to provide at least a statement (a single sentence) explaining the reason why the designer decided to skip each check, so that we have it properly documented.

I believe that your proposal here in this issue would likely use a similar mechanism.

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

Here's a somewhat crazy idea that might actually make a lot of sense.

What if we come up with a CreativeCommons-like system composed of a set of mnemonic badges corresponding to those subjective quality aspects of a font project and then we created mechanisms for those badges to be placed on the README.md of a repo, or in a website hosting the font files.

Such badges would have corresponding human-readable text as well as a machine-readable (read: fontbakery can easily read it) metadata file format.

To mitigate the risk of someone gaming the system by simply applying all the badges without actually reviewing the font design, we should make it mandatory that badges are "signed" by simply providing the name of the reviewer. I am not implying any sort of crypto-signing here, but merely trusting what people say, the same way we trust their usernames/real names/pseudonyms, for copyright and licensing matters, when they contribute to a free software project.

Members of the type community would taint their reputation if they were caught excessively overstating the qualities of a design to game the system. And faking signatures (labeling a design review with someone else's name without their consent) would pretty much be identity fraud.

It should be also easy to declare these subjective font quality scores. So we might create a website where a reviewer could answer a set of questions and then the website would generate a metadata file that can be downloaded and saved on the root of a font project directory/repo. Badges would be automatically rendered on README.md based on the contents of that file and provide links to the more verbose human-readable description of the review, which could even showcase the reviewer info if available on the Google Fonts Designers Catalog.

All of these things are completely analogous to the Creative Commons framework.

Oh! One last thing: even though I mentioned the Google Fonts Designers Catalog here, I think this seems generic enough that it should be a system that could be used on any font project, not meant to be exclusive only for Google-hosted fonts.

davelab6 commented 3 years ago

Nice ideas!!! :)

felipesanches commented 3 years ago
felipesanches commented 3 years ago

Could maybe use https://github.com/SorkinType/EQX as a starting point for the design review website.

simoncozens commented 3 years ago

Okay, so let's combine a number of thoughts we've been having recently:

Here's an idea, then:

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

I suppose that a single profile may have multiple badges. As discussed at #3336, we never really extensively used Sections, but maybe that's their fate :-) A badge for each section of a profile.

But badges could also perhaps cross the profile boundary because they seem more likely to be defined by topic. For instance, on the googlefonts profile I could pretty well see a vendor-specific badge for METADATA.pb-related checks, while the rest of the checks would probably add to the scores of a badge that also takes into account checks from universal or opentype profiles. A "Variable Fonts" badge would be an example (containing both universal as well as vendor specific checks).

When thinking of badges, I picture in my mind things like the "Achievement Unlocked!" sort of goals one often see in video-games. These often have:

Grouping existing checks on those "Sections" was already a long-postponed goal and I had not put much energy on that because it was unclear for me if doing it would have any real value. I have been really planning to completely deprecate Sections to shave complexity out of the code-base unless we actually used them extensively.

Note: Sections might not be best way to implement this if we decide to give Badges the ability to group checks across profiles.

It might be a nice brainstorming exercise for us to try to come up with a small set of initial badge proposals in that spirit and then decide if it really makes sense to go forward.

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

I'll keep the word "subjective" in the title of this issue for now because that's what @davelab6 initially suggested us to address here, even though this conversation is clearly evolving to also embrace the existing technical checks.

We need to define how we'll store these "subjective quality scores" in a way that is user-friendly.

simoncozens commented 3 years ago

"Achievements" would be nice, but there's already a kind of de-facto standard for build/QA badges: fontbakery build

simoncozens commented 3 years ago

technical quality technical quality

https://shields.io/#dynamic-badge

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

YES! But I think the idea would be to have a larger set of badges such as:

variable fonts support gfonts metadata iso5008:2017 checks Vietnamese diacritics readability vertical metrics

We would have to draft what else makes sense. Maybe based on the original article that @davelab6 pointed out when opening the issue.

simoncozens commented 3 years ago

Just have one per section. This is what sections are for. :-)

felipesanches commented 3 years ago

@twardoch, @RosaWagner, @moyogo, @vv-monsalve, @eliheuer, or anyone else interested:

I'd be glad to have some input from you on this conversation

eliheuer commented 3 years ago

I like it!

The only thing I would add, as the article Dave links in the first post says in the conclusion:

And then there are, of course, typefaces that are intentionally designed to be weird, wonky, imperfect, distressed, uneven, casual or handmade etc. They are not meant to be evaluated by the same set of technical criteria, but you get the idea.

Maybe a way to indicate fonts with artistic and/or cultural significance is needed so you know the standard subjective font quality scores can be ignored for specific typefaces?

vv-monsalve commented 3 years ago

I celebrate and 100% support the spirit of raising the font quality standards/requirements for the library.

However, it is only possible to evaluate something based on a frame of reference or a standard for a certain context or purpose. So the first thing that we would need to set would be those parameters for Google Fonts. What does a good quality font mean to GF?. Currently, we still do not have clear standards around topics such as outline quality or spacing. We have published fonts with different quality ranges around this.

Only after clearly defining our terms and priorities, we could elaborate something similar to the rubrics used in education. This is a scheme that relates a topic (badge or section), with the goal, and the small tasks to achieve it, each one with a percentage of importance to achieve the whole. Finally, to also determine a minimum value or development percentage required to be considered sufficient, in this case, for a font to be published in GF.

Section A

(% relevance for the total assessment) –Goal–

Subtopic 1 (% relevance respect the section)

And so on.


How big topics or sections could be and what should be addressed is what we should build and what will give shape to the 'rubric'

Some sections could be (including the bullets listed in the article)

etc

A font could be ranked according to development status, perhaps only in percentage terms to avoid subjective quality values such as good or bad and prevent endless debates out of personal or cultural perceptions (as the open discussion around FAILS). So finally, to be able to publish it, the font project should be compliant with at least some development percentages in each badge. And this could have different values according to the nature of the font project. The minimum readability value required for a Display-Decorative font could be downgraded to 50%, while a text font should have at least a 70% E.g.

MyFamilyName text font total development 80%

Could be published in GF! 🧁

davelab6 commented 2 years ago

I was chatting with @vv-monsalve today about 2022 plans and she mentioned this issue could be a good goal to work on collectively, and I agree. What should we do about this in 2022?