Closed mariobehling closed 3 years ago
PCB manufacturer feedback:
Output of coordinates of component central location KiCAD generates pos files with centroid informations. The file content will look something like this;
BoM with both part details and assembly information KiCAD doesn’t support a combined feature. We’ll have to do this manually.
Keepout areas underneath the PCB for positioning of support pins “Same goes with the keep-out areas underneath the PCB for positioning of support pins during the printing process. With a "nest" (see below), this will not be needed.” Design doesn’t have any components on the bottom side. So do we need any keep-out area for placement? I’m a little unclear about the “nest” as there was nothing attached below.
PCBs in a manufacturing panel I checked with PCBWay and they provide a panelizing feature. We can make a panel and submit or ask them to create a panel for us. They provide V-Scoring and/or Tab-Routing as the routing to separate boards.
Alignment marks on PCBs Fiducial marks can be added to the existing design. I suppose a similar implementation like in the figure will do it, the alignments :)
Panelization specifications
Reply from Fraunhofer:
This is very good news!
As no double sided assembly is required, we are free to position the support pins anywhere. Thanks for having clarified this. Also, with the option to go for the panel, no milled Al-nest (i.e. a negative form to receive the PCB to run it through the assembly line) is required.
As to the depanelization – what would be your preference (keeping your final form for sales in mind) -> V-groove may be cheaper but has some more rough edges, tab-routing will call for slightly larger inter-PCB distances (as of IPC 7351), but result in much cleaner edges. If you plan to mount the boards for your final product in a housing anyway, you may want to consider the price difference to your benefit!
Also on the cost side goes the PCB finish. We strongly discourage from HASL (lead) -> will bring you in trouble when running the RoHS and WEEE compliance check. With the current component sizes you have, HASL (leadfree) will still be acceptable w.r.t. pad surface flatness – as soon as you go towards smaller components, this will eventually lead to assembly defects. ENIG w/immersion gold is currently the standard for volume production of hi-rel goods, so this is definitely to consider. Also OSP will be okay if the OSP chemistry provided by your PCB manufacturer can withstand minimum 2 thermal processes (1x full reflow, 1x soldering of the pins for the through hole components) – usually this should not be a problem, but I suggest to ask for a positive feedback to avoid issues later on. Immersion gold over copper (if I got this info right) is not a good choice, as diffusion is fast and will make the surface critcial to solder, especially if some storage time (ie. Producing first 100, then another 100, then 200 and 500 products) will deteriorate solderability. I strongly discourage the use of hard gold (plated), as –while initial soldering looks excellent- the overall reliability will be poor, making you a bad example of planned obsolescence in less than 2 years after manufacturing J
Alignment mark position and dimensioning is very good, thanks!
So, the next steps would be to exchange on the modified design with the alignment marks, receive the panel design file (stencil will be created for this entire size), freeze all designs, start buying components and PCB and go to us for the first full auto manufacturing run!
Question of Padmal:
Once we make a panel, say 3 x 2 boards in one panel. For the automated pick and place machine, should we provide component coordinates to all the components on the panel or providing coordinates to only one board is enough? (Will it offset coordinates to other components of the same ID?)
@woshikie do have a look at this as well.
Reply from Fraunhofer:
One additional point to my previous answer.... For the Stencil, the full panel info on the opening site is preferred, saves us some days for measurement, panelling of stencil coordinates and ordering...
Padmal:
With KiCAD we can generate positions of the same component in multiple places. If we prepare the stencil matching that I guess we can straightaway configure the pick and place machine to assemble the whole panel at once :)
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