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"abuse of the use of frameworks" #20

Closed francesco-strazzullo closed 6 years ago

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

Taking a look here https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abuse, it seems that abuse it's a too strong word.

The main meaning of abuse is

to use something for the wrong purpose in a way that is harmful or morally wrong

I don't think that this is the meaning that we want to pass, what do you think?

GeoDoo commented 6 years ago

I think misuse or wrong use of frameworks would better convey the meaning you want to express here!

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/misuse

and the syntax is wrong: when you say abuse you should not use use again! haha

So, the full sentence would be like:

the misuse of frameworks or the wrong use of frameworks

:)

ggeorgovassilis commented 6 years ago

@francesco-strazzullo I agree that aggressive or diminishing wording should be avoided if we indeed feel that way. Peoples' individual stories may vary, so here is mine: I would subscribe, cautiously, to the meaning you quoted because I've seen once too many "gurus" push frameworks to solidify their own position in a project where something simpler would have done fine. To me, that is an abuse of power in a project.

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

@ggeorgovassilis I think that you may have a point. But I think that we are talking about politics and organization design here, more than decision making. For now, I think we should change the work in "misuse" or another similar word. I would like to talk about "Organizations" in a separate issue if you are ok with it.

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

@lorenzomassacci @Violo @adellava What do you think about the proposal of @GeoDoo?

adellava commented 6 years ago

The @GeoDoo proposal makes sense. Let's go for misuse.

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

Ok then, I will open a PR later with the fix!

lorenzomassacci commented 6 years ago

I'm not sure misuse is better than abuse. With the word abuse I mean an excessive use of frameworks not only a wrong use. Something like drug abuse or alcohol abuse

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

I like the analogy with drugs. I found this post about the difference between abuse and misuse. https://newlifehouse.com/drug-abuse-vs-misuse/

GeoDoo commented 6 years ago

After reading the article of @francesco-strazzullo I would go with misuse for the only reason that you cannot get addicted to Frameworks.... hahahaha

I think... Although JS community should use the help of a psychiatrist... to stop the JS fatigue

hahaha

francesco-strazzullo commented 6 years ago

Quoting the post:

Misuse involves not following medical instructions, but the person may not necessarily be looking to ‘get high’ from their use

on the other hand...

Not only do they use it in a way other than it is prescribed, but they also use it to experience the feelings associated with the drug

At the hand of the post, they say

According to the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) the key difference between drug abuse and drug misuse is the individual’s intentions when taking the drug.

I agree with you @lorenzomassacci that abuse, when associated with drugs, means excessive use but the focus is on the intention of the team.

I think that the message of that paragraph is related to the _law of the instrument_ that states that

"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."

That said I don't think that people actually intend to use "too much" of a framework on purpose.

GeoDoo commented 6 years ago

About the excessive use, I agree that @lorenzomassacci has a point, but if you look it individually one company should be abusing frameworks if and only if it changes frameworks like shirts!

If you are talking in general then the analogous would be to say that the humanity abuses alcohol... Which I do not think it is what you want to say here... I am not sure if you can say that the community is a drag addict... Only individuals can get addicted in a strict sense of the meaning... I think

What say you?