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Unix-like kernel for Atari ST and compatible computers
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Freedom 1.15 nearly works flawlessly in XaAES #380

Open mikrosk opened 1 month ago

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

Let's make @swe-yc happy and put it in our "backlog":

Freedom is just one example. I understand not much ppl use freedom and maybe little people know why i like it: apart from looks, and many options, including skiping folders, etc, i like that its acc, and in TOS one can open 2 or more instances of freedom, and use it as file explorer, copy app, etc. Very handy inside apps in TOS, etc.

Yes, we do have the note in the wiki / readme: https://github.com/freemint/freemint/blob/e0133e6f98b00e02dcb1dcb5cf2eaea4d44bb611/doc/ChangeLog.old/readme.1.16.0#L359 but that's not really a solution, is it.

If I understood Swe right, Freedom didn't work at all but now it does to some extent.

It works with N.AES and most likely in MyAES, too (@Landemarre feel free to correct me).

skaftetryne commented 1 month ago

Which version of Freedom? I have used Freedom with XaAES previously, but only 1.15. Freedom 2.x doesn't work reliably on any OS IMO. I'll try to remember to test this with the current kernel.

th-otto commented 1 month ago

Freedom (even if it works with TOS) is an ugly hack. It does not make sense to support it. What does it offer that the builtin fileselector of XaAES cannot do?

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

What does it offer that the builtin fileselector of XaAES cannot do?

See above. It really is a powerful tool, I also used to use it in TOS and MagiC. IIRC it has CPX manager, full featured file manager, ran in a separate non-modal window etc etc. So I don't blame anyone who wants it back.

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

If I understood Swe right, Freedom didn't work at all but now it does to some extent.

I have more information about this:

Which version of Freedom? I have used Freedom with XaAES previously, but only 1.15.

1.15 freedom works in MultiTOS, but fails in unix... F2 is crap

So it would seem that there really isn't that much work left?

EDIT: "fails in unix" means that if XaAES is started via GEM= and its cnf file load ffsel.prg, it works. But if XaAES is started from command line (i.e. INIT=/sbin/init is used), the very same cnf file loads ffsel.prg and it doesn't work anymore, the file selector is not replaced and the one from XaAES is used. N.AES doesn't have this problem as its file selector is external so ffsel.prg can be started even from AUTO, same for AES 4.1.

skaftetryne commented 1 month ago

It really is a powerful tool, I also used to use it in TOS and MagiC. IIRC it has CPX manager, full featured file manager, ran in a separate non-modal window etc etc. So I don't blame anyone who wants it back.

This is Freedom 2. I remember being so disappointed with it after having used 1.15 for a long time. Freedom 2 tried to do a lot of stuff that's totally unrelated to the actual task of a file selector, and it also did it in a very unstable way. I don't see any reason for using such a tool in a multitasking system, as there are dedicated applications that does both file management and control panel functions a lot better.

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

Fair enough. I think I started with 1.15 as well but then switched to 2.0 but since I used it mostly in TOS, I didn't care that much about its compatibility.

Still, I think it's worth some effort to make 1.15 working on XaAES. MyAES doesn't support it at all, for instance.

Landemarre commented 1 month ago

Let's make @swe-yc happy and put it in our "backlog":

Freedom is just one example. I understand not much ppl use freedom and maybe little people know why i like it: apart from looks, and many options, including skiping folders, etc, i like that its acc, and in TOS one can open 2 or more instances of freedom, and use it as file explorer, copy app, etc. Very handy inside apps in TOS, etc.

Yes, we do have the note in the wiki / readme:

https://github.com/freemint/freemint/blob/e0133e6f98b00e02dcb1dcb5cf2eaea4d44bb611/doc/ChangeLog.old/readme.1.16.0#L359 but that's not really a solution, is it.

If I understood Swe right, Freedom didn't work at all but now it does to some extent.

It works with N.AES and most likely in MyAES, too (@Landemarre feel free to correct me).

Don't know never test Freedom under mint 1.15 was test only under 1.19 and always crash, I just try on my old V4 multisys config if freedom work with MyAES but if it not crash, it not work too, CPX said me not found config but I don't know where put file, never use this software. Will try again tomorrow.

Landemarre commented 1 month ago

Just do test under Mint 1.15.12 and V4SA, Freedom 1.15 and 2.05 work under NAES and AES 4.1, they not work under MyAES (do nothing) even if in memory, call of freedom.acc 2.05 open a window but nothing display on it, close it and move it work, very strange, this window not appear when application call fileselect, the usual fileselector is open. So not work at all under MyAES.

skaftetryne commented 1 month ago

I just tried Freedom 1.15 with a very current kernel/XaAES on my Falcon060/SV. Memory protection is enabled.I have not really used it since my N.AES-days, but I still have my old Freedom setup on my bootdrive. I started ffsel.prg first and then freedom.app, both from the desktop. Some rudimentary testing indicates that all features are working. Lots of features which makes sense in a single-tasking OS, but not so much in a multitasking OS where you have the desktop available at all times.

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

Thanks for testing @skaftetryne. I guess the only thing left to test is that weird INIT= scenario whether it is really true or some hiccup in @swe-yc's setup.

skaftetryne commented 1 month ago

I'm afraid I don't have a suitable setup for that.

swe-yc commented 1 month ago

Yes, Freedom 2 is a big mess.  In any case, starting ffsel.prg from aes config file (xaaes and myaes) solve the problem in "multitos" mode (aka GEM=), but if AES is started from full unix mint (INIT=) then it wont work.  I rechecked stuff, and i cant find anything wrong...

mikrosk commented 1 month ago

@Landemarre perhaps your Freedom setup is somewhat different (as you couldn't get it working), you see, Swe's MyAES setup works nicely with Freedom.

swe-yc commented 1 month ago

Keyword here is to start ffsel.prg after AES, so, manually or from myaes.cnf.... That should make it work.  About Freedom: some features arent crucial in mtasking, as @skaftetryne already said, but its still very powerfull. Click on anything, mid path, sliders, etc, then right click anything, etc, etc...