Closed castedo closed 9 months ago
@castedo I think that short summaries of science blog posts are important, the main use cases being indexes such as Rogue Scholar and posts on social media or newsletters.
Rogue Scholar tries to fetch the specific abstract when available and when the platform supports it (Wordpress, Substack and Ghost do). But not many people use that functionality and the fallback is to use the beginning of the post. The Rogue Scholar API calls this metadata "summary", but Pandoc and Crossref prefer the term abstract. Datacite has descriptionType
and controlled vocabulary that does not include summary
.
My suggestion is the following:
summary
metadata because of other issues, e.g. HTML formatting and length of summary.abstract
metadata property in the Rogue Scholar API that is only used when the abstract is different from the beginning of the blog post. * Structured abstracts are a special case of this new abstract property. Commonmeta is the metadata schema that Rogue Scholar uses. It allows multiple descriptions
, each with a type
that can be abstract
, summary
, or description
. A related use case that I have started to think about is descriptions in multiple languages, e.g. adding English-language abstracts to non-English blog posts.
I'm not totally confident I'm following all the details of your suggestion. But I think what I'm understanding makes sense to me.
The key detail you mention is that some outputs include the fulltext and others do not. A traditional abstract is included with full-text output whereas this other type of abstract-like summary is not.
There is one bit (boolean) of information here which the Rogue Scholar API has but JATS and Markdown flavors do not. This bit means roughly: "This short text summary/abstract is an auto-generated format-simplified truncated derivative of the beginning of an author's writing that does not include a traditional abstract".
Solution 1 does not seem OK for the PDF generated by Rogue Scholar. Rogue Scholar generates the PDF so it should use this one bit of information to be smart about including or not including a summary/abstract along with the fulltext.
In the case of Rogue Scholar generated JATS and Markdown I guess it depends on how those get used in real-world applications. My impression is that currently zero real-world applications that ingest JATS will omit the abstract when rendering output with fulltext. This is also my impression with pandoc injested Markdown. The abstract will be rendered along with the fulltext. So to better align with real world applications, it makes sense to me to NOT include the auto-generated summaries as an abstract in Markdown and JATS. These auto-generated summaries do not semantically mean what abstract means in real-world Markdown and JATS.
Outside the semantic context of present day JATS and Markdown, and inside the semantic context of Rogue Scholar API metadata, this one bit of information and the auto-summarization sounds like a valuable feature and idea and very useful for readers of outputs that do not include fulltext. Whether is it called "abstract" or not isn't that important but I definitely vote for NOT using the word "abstract", but I admit I'm being a bit pedantic. :sweat_smile:
@castedo trying to address the issues you raised, I made the following changes:
Nice! That definitely addresses the most relevant scenarios of the issues raised here. I loose track of the norms on closing GitHub issues, but feel free to close.
Regarding the bit/boolean of information... can software injecting the Markdown easily detect whether the abstract is an auto-generated summary and not traditional summary?
Looking at the latest two RS posts, I'm not sure what is the intended behavior. This looks right because the abstract is null:
but what about this one?
j5jfg-n3k62 and
There's both a summary and an abstract.
What you see in the two examples is the intended behavior. In the case of https://api.rogue-scholar.org/posts/10.59350/j5jfg-n3k62.md, you see in the markdown version that abstract are summary are different because of HTML sanitization, a better example might be https://api.rogue-scholar.org/posts/10.54900/6sz4q-47185.md (using the Ghost platform). The process to decide whether an excerpt is auto-generated from the beginning of the full-text needs to be optimized. Also, all Rogue Scholar blog posts need to re-processed for abstract detection which will take some time.
@castedo I have tweaked the Rogue Scholar API to make it easier to see abstracts and summary: https://api.rogue-scholar.org/posts?include_fields=summary,abstract&sort=abstract&per_page=50
The tricky part is that you can't directly filter by non-empty abstracts fields. In this query abstracts with missing values are sorted last.
Based on limited evidence, I'm jumping to the conclusion that the abstract Rogue Scholar is generating is a copy of the beginning of the main body text. Please correct me if I am wrong.
For scholarly communication, what is desired is that the text named "Abstract" is not just a copy of the first part of the document's main body. Wikipedia probably does a better job than I at describing what is meant by an abstract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary)
Just like a title is not a copy of the first sentence of a text, an abstract is not just a copy of the first few sentences of a text.
The most concrete issue here is that Rogue Scholar is redundantly filling in the abstract section in JATS and Markdown as the first few lines of the body of the text. This generates PDFs and content where the reader is presented with a (fake) abstract and then re-presented with the EXACT same text again when they start reading the body of the article/post. I think most readers will find this annoying. I have received feedback from a reader who was irritated that my intro in the main body was just a rephrasing of the abstract. I believe most scholarly readers expect to be able to read the abstract and then not have that text repeated. Abstracts that are mere copies of the first sentences are poor abstracts.
I don't claim to know the right solution, but three come to mind:
As it stands right now, it just looks really cheesy. It's like someone is trying to check an "I-have-an-abstract" box without an author actually making an effort to write a helpful abstract for readers.
I would be inclined to go with solution 2 and not autogenerate abstracts that do not serve the function of abstracts.