Book 05: Sentence 060

[ftyers]

# sent_id = Book_05_-_The_Omens.txt:60
# text = No ioan, netetzaujloia in pinaujztli: iuhqujn tocatl tlatlauhquj, tlatlactic.
# text[norm] = No ihuan, netetzahuiloya in pinahuiztli: iuhquin tocatl tlatlauhqui, tlatlactic.
# text[orig] = No·ioan·,·netetzaujloia·in·pinaujz¶tli·:·iuh·qujn·tocatl·tlatlauhquj·,·tla¶tlactic·.
# text[osp] = _
# references = A&D/172:2
1   No  no  ADV _       4   _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=1|Norm=No|Gloss=también|Analysed=Yes
2   ioan    huan    NOUN    _   NounType=Relat|Number[psor]=Sing|Person[psor]=3|State=Poss  4   _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=1|Norm=ihuan|Gloss=con|Analysed=Yes
3   ,   ,   PUNCT   _       4   punct   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=1|Norm=,|Analysed=Yes
4   netetzaujloia   tetzahuia   VERB    _   _   0   root    _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=1|Norm=netetzahuiloya
5   in  in  DET|SCONJ   _   _   6   _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=1|Norm=in
6   pinaujztli  pinahuiztli NOUN    _   State=Abs   4   _   _   Orig=pinaujz¶·tli|Folio=8v,8v|Paragraph=8,8|Line=1,2|Norm=pinahuiztli|Analysed=Yes
7   :   :   PUNCT   _       10  punct   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=2|Norm=:|Analysed=Yes
8   iuhqujn iuhquin ADV _       10  _   _   Orig=iuh·qujn|Folio=8v,8v|Paragraph=8,8|Line=2,2|Norm=iuhquin|AmbigNorm=True|Override=False|Gloss=así|Analysed=Yes
9   tocatl  tocatl  NOUN    _   _   10  _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=2|Norm=tocatl|Gloss=araña
10  tlatlauhquj tlatlauhqui NOUN    _   _   6   _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=2|Norm=tlatlauhqui|Gloss=rojo
11  ,   ,   PUNCT   _       _   _   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=2|Norm=,|Analysed=Yes
12  tlatlactic  tlatlactic  ADJ _       10  _   _   Orig=tla¶·tlactic|Folio=8v,8v|Paragraph=8,8|Line=2,3|Norm=tlatlactic|Analysed=Yes
13  .   .   PUNCT   _       4   punct   _   Folio=8v|Paragraph=8|Line=3|Norm=.|Analysed=Yes

[Lguyogiro]

• nsubj(netetzahuiloya, pinaujztli)
• I think tlatlauhqui should be ADJ.
• Also, that last clause, I understand it as, e.g. "like so it is a spider, red..."
• the two adjectives both translate to "red". Perhaps different shades? tlatlauhqui could be related to tlahuilli "light".

[Lguyogiro]

Here is my version of this sentence ( the no and iuan thing we are discussing in other issues...)

[Lguyogiro]

Do we want to call "in" DET in this case and in others "SCONJ"? Or stick with the omnipredicative crowd and always mark it as sconj....thus understanding "netetzahuiloya in pinahuiztli" as it is regarded as an omen it is pinahuiztli

[ftyers]

[ftyers]

Do we want to call "in" DET in this case and in others "SCONJ"? Or stick with the omnipredicative crowd and always mark it as sconj....thus understanding "netetzahuiloya in pinahuiztli" as it is regarded as an omen it is pinahuiztli

It will be really difficult to annotate stuff fully omnipredicatively, we'd basically end up with everything parataxis. So I think so long as we have clear guidelines, it would be ok to mark stuff as DET. The question is then, what are the guidelines... This is a question for Mitsuya.

[ftyers]

Updated suggestion:

Questions:

• I'm not super happy with iuhquin tocatl ..., if we think that it is something like "es (una) araña bermeja, roja así", then this would work.

Thoughts?

[Lguyogiro]

I'm not super happy with iuhquin tocatl ..., if we think that it is something like "es (una) araña bermeja, roja así", then this would work.

This is how I understand this clause.

[ftyers]

LGTY?

[Lguyogiro]

lgtm

[ftyers]

Completed in aa4fd68.

[ftyers]

We probably need to revisit this one with respect to iuhquin (#13).

[ftyers]

This would be the analysis according to (#13):

[Lguyogiro]

yep lgtm