Closed gocentral closed 6 years ago
If we all agree that axioms are good stuff and that we should be implementing them whenever we can, then I'd vote for 2. If I were a researcher interested in diabetes, I would query for 'insulin' as well as for 'pancrea*'. If we went for option 2, I'd still get all the annotations I need. My two pence :-)
Paola
Original comment by: paolaroncaglia
Diff:
--- old
+++ new
@@ -1,4 +1,3 @@
-
[Term] id: GO:0030073
- **Priority**: 5 --> 3
Original comment by: cmungall
I started on this but it turned out to be hard due to the cross-product of terms with the assumption baked in. Sigh.
Original comment by: cmungall
Original comment by: cmungall
@vanaukenk - 2 annotations @hattrill - 7 annotations Would you please look at your annotations to insulin signaling ? I suspect they do not mean the same insulin signaling (and at least for one worm paper, worm is used as a model, but not necessarily in a physiologically relevant context).
Thanks, Pascale
All of our annotations relate to release of insulin-like peptides from insulin-producing cells (IPCs) in the brain (in FBbt insulin secreting cell of pars intercerebralis FBbt:00004011). These behave like and are equivalent to vertebrate beta cells (ie respond to nutrient levels) and downstream the insulin-like peptides act like insulin. We have other cell-types that produce insulin-like peptides, but they are not part of the response to nutrients.
Hi @hattrill Thanks for looking into it. Do you think the mechanism of insulin secretion (which I assume contains some signaling) is conserved enough to use the same term (and hence either remove pancreatic cells from the def, or add something about insect beta cells) - or we could create another term.
Thanks, Pascale
Seems to be regulated by similar/equivalent input pathways and the equivalent secretory granules (dense-core vesicles) for trafficking, processing, storage and secretion exist.
I'd be happy with using the same term (perhaps say, pancreatic cells in verts and insulin-producing cells in insects) and use secretory granules and remove the beta granules in parenthesis.
Thanks. I fixed the definition as follows: "The regulated release of proinsulin from secretory granules accompanied by cleavage of proinsulin to form mature insulin. In vertebrates, insulin is secreted from B granules in the B cells of the vertebrate pancreas and from insulin-producing cells in insects."
And added taxon constraint 'only in metazoa'.
Thanks, Pascale
What's the evidence for the only-in taxon? Isn't the pathway conserved as far back as Tetrahymenina?
Also: the term def references "B granules", but there is no such class in GO.
The axiom references http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/PR_000009054 which says "An insulin family protein that is a translation product of the human INS gene or a 1:1 ortholog thereof"
is this appropriate for Dmel and Celegans? On v slow connection now hard to check.
(would be good if PRO had TCs at higher level)
C.elegans/D.mel have what are termed "insulin-like peptides" - some behave more like insulin, some like IGFs and some like relaxin. The ILPs produced from IPCs in D.mel functionally equivalent to insulin. In terms of orthology, ILP3 and 5 are "orthologs" of human insulin, ILP2 is ortholgous to human IGF1/2.
I've looked at the two C. elegans annotations which are to positive and negative regulation of insulin secretion, respectively.
Both annotations reflect physiologically relevant biology that appears to be well conserved phylogenetically.
One of the annotations, though, would be better captured in a GO-CAM model since it is to a transcription factor and that activity is probably best characterized as 'causally upstream of' insulin secretion.
Wrt the term definition, what are the key things we want to capture?
I think it would be helpful if we could define the beginning and end of secretion in this and other secretion term definitions, as it might help us decide at what level we can really make these comparisons. My overall impression, though, is that insulin secretion is well conserved.
@cmungall what would be the appropriate taxon restriction ? Eukaryotes perhaps ?
@vanaukenk I moved your questions about the definition of secretion to a new ticket - I think this deserves a separate discussion.
We have a two annotations to regulation of insulin secretion in worm and fly.
the pancreas and proto-pancreas structures are vertebrate-specific PMID:16417468, but insulin is a billion years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin
Looked at the drosophila annotation abstract, insulin is indeed being secreted: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23874700
There are two possible courses of action here:
Note that 1 could be accompanied by a taxon GCI as in uberon, but we don't use these in GO yet, and probably shouldn't until Protege 5.
I would therefore vote for 2, even though this contributes to the drunk-christmas-tree effect.
Use case driving decision: a user is looking for animal models of diabetes, or disorders involving pancreatic B cells. They query GO using the CL class, they get the specific GO class, which does not yield the FB gene. They have to go one level up (note this isn't necessary with the taxon-GCI route, but the query machinery is harder), e.g. via semantic similarity query, then they get the fly genes.
Reported by: cmungall
Original Ticket: geneontology/ontology-requests/11073