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On a [related ticket](https://sourceforge.net/p/geneontology/ontology-requests/11712/), we've been discussing how to shorten some long and confusing names for transcriptional repressors, e.g.
RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding transcription factor activity involved in negative regulation of transcription
Original comment by: dosumis
Firstly do we have to have ‘RNA polymerase II’ included in the name, as the ontology will provide this information, and this can be included in the exact synonym?
Maybe OK for repressors, as I don't see any of RNA Polymerases named in classes returned by the query: 'part of' some 'negative regulation of transcription, DNA-templated'
Original comment by: dosumis
I am a bit concerned that transcriptional repressor activity still represents a vague function that is equivalent to nothing more than an anonymous function that negatively regulates transcription. I am not against having the mechanistic processes.
I think the phrase 'mechanisms of transcriptional repression' is an indicator that we really are looking at processes.
-D
Original comment by: ukemi
Hi,
I think there are many problems with this proposal.
For starters, both reviews are RNAP II specific, and therefore do not fully cover the scope of transcriptional repression processes. It is a serious problem to drop the “RNA polymerase II” from the name and use very general sounding names to refer to RNAP II specific terms. These types of ambiguous term names are specifically one of the things the transcription overhaul got rid of because of their misuse for completely inappropriate annotations, e.g. to bacterial genes.
One of the reviews is from 2003 and seems to espouse a naive view of RNAP II transcription, i.e. that it can be divided into "general" and "specific" transcription. While that view was common when I was in grad school, as people started using a greater variety of constructs in their experiments, it became clear that this is a major oversimplification and these categories don’t seem very useful anymore. Note that we have obsoleted even the Biological Process terms for “general transcription” and “specific transcription” because there isn’t a clear distinction between them.
I also agree with David that I don’t see any clear functional definitions for these proposed terms and think that we are really talking about processes here.
-Karen
Original comment by: krchristie
Hi @RLovering Do you still want these terms (or the concepts?) It seems slightly different from the direction we took in the current remodeling.
Thank you in advance for your response, Pascale
Hi Pascale
As mentioned at the top of the ticket, it seems to me that the following repressors are well known to the transcription field, although not easy to define: PMID:24418103 describes: Mechanisms of transcriptional repression can be divided into three categories;
It seems to me that the recent discussions led to an agreement for terms to cover activities described in 1 and 3, but I don't think there is any term to describe a protein with one of the (several) functions described in 2. I don't want to edit the protein binding TF terms until there is a term I can use if it turns out that one of the proteins has a function described in 2, otherwise I will have to go back and reannotate again. Plus as we mentioned in the discussion the other week. Many of the proteins currently associated with the GO terms now describing 1 or 3 were associated with the term(s) assuming these described the function in 2. But we can't revise these until we have these other terms.
I appreciate that you could just cover these 'activity' as processes but I think people will expect to see a MF term to describe the repressors that act on the DNA binding TFs.
Thanks
Ruth
NEW GO Term 1. General transcription repressor activity (provide more specific terms as the data is annotated?) Exact synonyms: RNA polymerase II general transcription repressor activity
Covered by 'GO:0003714 transcription corepressor activity'
NEW GO Term 2. Transcription factor binding repressor activity Exact synonyms: Transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; RNA polymerase II transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity
Also covered by 'GO:0003714 transcription corepressor activity'
NEW GO Term 3 From initial inquiry and child of NEW GO Term 2 above: activating transcription factor binding repressor activity Exact synonyms: RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding transcription factor activity involved in negative regulation of transcription; Activating transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity
Not needed anymore.
NEW GO Term 4. DNA binding transcription repressor activity Exact synonyms: DNA binding transcription gene-specific transcription repressor activity; Gene-specific DNA binding RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity
Already in the ontology.
NEW GO Term 5. Pre-initiation complex binding transcription repressor activity Exact synonyms: Pre-initiation complex binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; Gene-specific Pre-initiation complex RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity
Also covered by corepressor
NEW GO Term 6. Transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-remodeling Exact synonyms: Gene-specific transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-remodeling; Gene-specific RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-> remodeling
Also covered by corepressor
resulting in their degradation: p53 on gene, when phosphorylated by PIC it leaves promoter. and nuclear export: nucleoplasmic shuttling eg NFkappaB by IKKB, not part of TF ontology restructure. need GO term eg Db Transcription factor inhibitor/repressor activity include in defintion that this often occurs in the cytoplasm and may include HSPs egs would be steroid receptor/NkappaB binding proteins.
are related to sequestering, see #16157
Closing this.
On a related ticket, we've been discussing how to shorten some long and confusing names for transcriptional repressors, e.g.
RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding transcription factor activity involved in negative regulation of transcription
Ruth wrote a comment on the original ticket with a general proposal for renaming and grouping transcriptional repressor terms. I've made a fresh ticket for discussion here so that original ticket can be closed ones the specific issue it covers has been adressed.
PMID:24418103 describes: Mechanisms of transcriptional repression can be divided into three categories;
Plus 4: non-coding RNAs in transcriptional repression by interacting with chromatin modifying factors (Wang et al., 2010).
PMID:12785719 describes: General repression: General repressor protein (or complex) either sequesters or modifies a central component of the Pre-initiation complex (PIC) or RNA polymerase II. Thus general repressor will down-regulate expression of all genes transcribed by this RNA polymerase. Eg 1: Phosphorylation of RNA polymerase core subunit by herpes virus ICP22, UL13 kinases, which generates a non-functional polymerase and general repression[ ref 14]. Eg 2: Nucleosomes generally repress promoter activity by sequestering promoter DNA into chromatin [ref 15].
Gene-specific repression: Gene-specific repressors act by decreasing the concentration of a functional activator/co-activator at the promoter or by counteracting the stimulatory effect of these proteins on transcription. In addition, some repressors inhibit transcription by interacting in a promoter-specific fashion with components of the PIC or by recruiting chromatin-remodelling proteins. Gene-specific repressors may: Bind directly or indirectly to DNA,
Regulate transcription from binding sites proximal [short-range repressors] or at a distance [long-range repressors] from the promoter [ref 16].
So considering the type of experiments we are annotating would it be possible to create MF terms with sensible names to represent these different classes of proteins?
Firstly do we have to have ‘RNA polymerase II’ included in the name, as the ontology will provide this information, and this can be included in the exact synonym? If this can be removed we could have: NEW GO Term 1. General transcription repressor activity (provide more specific terms as the data is annotated?) Exact synonyms: RNA polymerase II general transcription repressor activity
NEW GO Term 2. Transcription factor binding repressor activity Exact synonyms: Transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; RNA polymerase II transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity
NEW GO Term 3 From initial inquiry and child of NEW GO Term 2 above: activating transcription factor binding repressor activity Exact synonyms: RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding transcription factor activity involved in negative regulation of transcription; Activating transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; RNA polymerase II activating transcription factor binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity
NEW GO Term 4. DNA binding transcription repressor activity Exact synonyms: DNA binding transcription gene-specific transcription repressor activity; Gene-specific DNA binding RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity
NEW GO Term 5. Pre-initiation complex binding transcription repressor activity Exact synonyms: Pre-initiation complex binding gene-specific transcription repressor activity; Gene-specific Pre-initiation complex RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity
NEW GO Term 6. Transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-remodeling Exact synonyms: Gene-specific transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-remodeling; Gene-specific RNA polymerase II transcription repressor activity by regulation of chromatin-remodeling
Note that several repressors will be annotated to more than one of these functions. Plus the definitions would have to make it clear that these are repressing terms and not for co-repressing terms.
I am happy to help sort out definitions for these if the concept is agreed. In addition, this should be discussed with the transcription factor group in Norway.
Best
Ruth
Reported by: dosumis
Original Ticket: geneontology/ontology-requests/11716