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term merge? GO:0033108 mitochondrial respiratory chain complex assembly #12846

Closed ValWood closed 6 years ago

ValWood commented 7 years ago

hes descendants Term Child Term Name Is a GO:0032981 mitochondrial respiratory chain complex I assembly Is a GO:0033617 mitochondrial respiratory chain complex IV assembly Is a GO:0034551 mitochondrial respiratory chain complex III assembly Is a GO:0034553 mitochondrial respiratory chain complex II assembly

and another term recently appeared? (2012) GO:0097250 mitochondrial respiratory chain supercomplex assembly

which has 6 exp annotations. These all appear to fit the other term, or one of its descendants?

dosumis commented 7 years ago

The classification is automatically derived from the classification of complexes, which is quite flat:

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The supercomplex term has this def:

definition "A set of respiratory enzyme complexes of the mitochondrial inner membrane (including, for example, Complex II, Complex III, Complex IV, or F1-F0 ATPase) arranged to form a large supercomplex."^^xsd:string

So this seems to be a term for a complex of complexes. The other complexes should probably have part_of relationship to it (has part would be safer if that's too strong. We could then reflect the part hierarchy in the assembly terms (we typically do this). Does this make sense to you?

The important question is whether all the individual complexes are always found as part of a supercomplex (at least when active).

ValWood commented 7 years ago

I'm still not sure that the term should exist based on the annotations. The annotations are to gene products which are involved in the assembly of individual complexes. Even some of these are a bit odd because they are mainly individual complex members...you mutate them, the complex does not assembly correctly. These aren't processes, they are only phenotypes...In the normal cell these don;t appear to have a role in assembly per se, they are an integral part of the complex.

Have we really really got any concrete evidence that there is a pathway involved in the assembly of this "supercomplex". I don't see any.....

dosumis commented 7 years ago

Have we really really got any concrete evidence that there is a pathway involved in the assembly of this "supercomplex". I don't see any.....

No idea. Seems we really should have a general class for these complexes

They are all part of the 'mitochondrial respiratory chain'. I wonder if this is equivalent to the supercomplex?

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so we could define simply as 'protein complex' that 'part of' some 'mitochondrial respiratory chain'

The assembly term would follow the usual pattern and the reasoner will place it correctly.

ValWood commented 7 years ago

Yes, I think they are equivalent.

The super complex term mentions ATPase subunits too, but there are no experimental data showing that there are any gene products required specifically for the assembly of such a "supercomplex" (or if it is even a bona fida complex, rather than complexes which localize together)....there is only data in the current annotations for the assembly of the specific sub complexes....

dosumis commented 7 years ago

CC @bmeldal @hdrabkin: Proposal to merge

'mitochondrial respiratory chain: "The protein complexes that form the mitochondrial electron transport system (the respiratory chain), associated with the inner mitochondrial membrane..."

with

'mitochondrial respiratory chain supercomplex': "A set of respiratory enzyme complexes of the mitochondrial inner membrane (including, for example, Complex II, Complex III, Complex IV, or F1-F0 ATPase) arranged to form a large supercomplex."

Do you agree?

ValWood commented 7 years ago

I don't object to the supercomplex term per se.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272808000947

I just don't think that the assembly term should exist (maybe organization would be better).

But this is probably more of an annotation issue.

The assembly of the supercomplex (if it is indeed a process) , isn't really a parent of the assembly of the individual subcomplexes?

The GPs currently directly annotated are either required for "stability" of the supercomplex, or sometimes for the assembly of one of the sub complexes. None appear to be really involved in assembly of a "supercomplex" per se.

Maybe I'm being a bit picky....

ukemi commented 7 years ago

I agree with Val that this is also an annotation issue which is separate from this ticket. I have always been hesitant to annotate members of a complex to assembly of a complex based on a phenotype. To me if a gene product was annotated to assembly, it should be part of the machinery that assembles the complex. That is why the chaperone synonym makes sense for the parent term 'protein complex assembly'.

Maybe we should have a general discussion on an annotation call. @vanaukenk

ValWood commented 7 years ago

Yes, there are loads of these annotations particularly around the respiratory chain members. Many of these subunits only have an assembly annotation, and nothing to related to their role in electron transport....

Matrix QC will be a good way to weed these out so I can do intersections with protein complex assembly on the same call if you like.

dosumis commented 7 years ago

Potential fix

BUT - l'm having doubts. Looking through existing annotations, I find mention of various supercomplexes consisting of some subset of the repiratory chain complex, and some references to roles in assembly of these. These may be dubious/ambiguous as the proteins in question seems also to be components, e.g see Rcf1 & this ref:

"Rcf1 mediates cytochrome oxidase assembly and respirasome formation, revealing heterogeneity of the enzyme complex." Vukotic M., Oeljeklaus S., Wiese S., Vogtle F.N., Meisinger C., Meyer H.E., Zieseniss A., Katschinski D.M., Jans D.C., Jakobs S., Warscheid B., Rehling P., Deckers M. Cell Metab. 15:336-347(2012) PMID:22342701

Lots of reviews on supercomplexes too, e.g. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272808000947

So - perhaps we should tighten/clarify the supercomplex term to make it clear it can refer to a variety of combinations. Also need to carefully review papers that talk about assembly to decide if it should really apply.

bmeldal commented 7 years ago

I haven't got more to add. I have worked on Complex I but not anything to do with supercomplexes of the rep chain.

But, just to throw it in the room, all those complexes are missing their links to redox complex terms and the related activities...

ValWood commented 6 years ago

mitochondrial respiratory chain def The protein complexes that form the mitochondrial electron transport system (the respiratory chain), associated with the inner mitochondrial membrane. The respiratory chain complexes transfer electrons from an electron donor to an electron acceptor and are associated with a proton pump to create a transmembrane electrochemical gradient.

GO:0097249 mitochondrial respiratory chain supercomplex Cellular Component Definition (GO:0097249 GONUTS page) A set of respiratory enzyme complexes of the mitochondrial inner membrane (including, for example, Complex II, Complex III, Complex IV, or F1-F0 ATPase) arranged to form a large supercomplex. PMID:21909073 PMID:22342701

is really equivalent to the respiratory chain. Merge?

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Complex terms:

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Assembly terms: