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NTR: negative regulation of autoproteolysis #14341

Closed sfmcguinness closed 6 years ago

sfmcguinness commented 7 years ago
jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

This is for CACAO.

The specific situation is RecA stimulates autocleavage of many phage represses as well as some cellular proteins. Sarah is curating a paper that shows a phage 434 protein inhibits RecA stimulation of this autocleavage specifically for 434 repressor.

vanaukenk commented 7 years ago

@sfmcguinness and @jimhu-tamu

I'm looking at this part of the ontology, and seeing two different possible parent terms, neither of which are 'autoproteolysis':

GO:0019538 protein metabolic process -GO:0006508 proteolysis --GO:0097264 self proteolysis ---GO:1990092 calcium-dependent self proteolysis ---GO:1990091 sodium-dependent self proteolysis

GO:0019538 protein metabolic process -GO:0051604 protein maturation -GO:0006508 proteolysis --GO:0016485 protein processing --GO:0016540 protein autoprocessing

The definitions are:

GO:0097264 self-proteolysis The hydrolysis of proteins into smaller polypeptides and/or amino acids by cleavage of their own peptide bonds. Source: GOC:yaf, PMID:18676612, PMID:19144634

GO:0016540 protein autoprocessing Processing which a protein carries out itself. This involves actions such as the autolytic removal of residues to generate the mature form of the protein. Source: GOC:ai, PMID:9335337

@ukemi - would it make sense to move GO:0097264 to be an is_a child of GO:0016540?

Also, @jimhu-tamu - Do the CACAO students use annotation extensions? I am wondering here about the correct usage and interpretation of the proposed term 'negative regulation of autoproteolysis'.

This paper sounds like a good candidate for a GO-CAM model.

ukemi commented 7 years ago

would it make sense to move GO:0097264 to be an is_a child of GO:0016540?

It would only make sense if self-proteolysis always leads to the mature form of a protein. In any other context, we would break the true path rule.

ukemi commented 7 years ago

PMID:24779472 suggests that it would break the true path rule.

vanaukenk commented 7 years ago

Okay, thanks @ukemi

@jimhu-tamu and @sfmcguinness since we don't have 'autoproteolysis' but instead have 'self proteolysis' here's my proposal for term name and placement in the ontology:

GO:0045861 negative regulation of proteolysis -GO:new negative regulation of self proteolysis

Synonyms: negative regulation of self-proteolysis; negative regulation of autocleavage, negative regulation of autoproteolysis, negative regulation of autolysis

I would also propose to add synonyms to self proteolysis (GO:0097264):

Existing synonyms: self-proteolysis, autolysis New synonyms: autocleavage, autoproteolysis

Does that look okay to you?

jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

yes but I would change the synonyms to remove autolysis. Autolysis is not a synonym for autoproteolysis, since autolysis is usually refers to a process at the cellular level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autolysis_(biology)

vanaukenk commented 7 years ago

Thanks, @jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness

In looking at the parentage for the new term, I see that it would map up to the 'cellular protein metabolic process' branch of the BP, but wouldn't have any relation to the 'viral processes' branch of the BP. Should the new term instead be under the 'viral processes' branch?

screen shot 2017-10-25 at 3 21 02 pm

If so, then perhaps the new term should instead be a child of something like GO:0046726 positive regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell:

screen shot 2017-10-25 at 3 30 28 pm

Although there are only four experimentally based annotations to GO:0046726 and they are all to human proteins, so I'm a bit uncertain about how this term was intended to be used.

@pgaudet - would annotating a viral protein to a term like GO:0046726 (or a more specific child term like 'negative regulation by virus of viral protein self proteolysis') be consistent with how the viral group would interpret its meaning?

In summary, I think the biology here is:

Hex (phage protein) -| RecA (bacterial protein) -> 434 (phage protein) self proteolysis

@jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness - is that right?

Sorry this has gotten complicated, but I just want to make sure we get the biology and ontology parentage correct.

jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

It always gets complicated! Your diagram looks right to me. But note that the

pgaudet commented 7 years ago

Hi @vanaukenk

Most annotations to the terms:

regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell positive regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell negative regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell are indeed to host proteins and therefore wrong; I will challenge them.

 

jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

Hi @pgaudet

What annotations to host proteins are you referring to? Not the original annotation we want to make, I hope.

pgaudet commented 7 years ago

Hi @jimhu-tamu

Most annotations are to host proteins:

Clearly the term 'regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell' should not apply here, right ?

Thanks, Pascale

jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

@pgaudet

Initially that makes sense, and a quick scan suggests to me that many are wrong. But it may hard to tell just by looking at the gaf for the following reason:

if we have a process that is a chain of regulatory steps, wouldn't we annotate both host and viral proteins involved?

In the paper being curated by @sfmcguinness, hex is a viral protein, which regulates RecA, a host protein, which regulates cI, a viral protein, which regulates a program of viral gene expression. From a process perspective, shouldn't RecA be part of regulation by virus of protein levels in host cell? (Or whatever we use for regulation of viral transcription).

If yes, then some or all of those might be correct.

pgaudet commented 7 years ago

Hi @jimhu-tamu

I don't know why we came on the topic of viral process for this term in fact - why was this suggested already ?

Thanks, Pascale

jimhu-tamu commented 7 years ago

I'm confused too.

pgaudet commented 7 years ago

;) @vanaukenk ? Help please !

vanaukenk commented 7 years ago

Hi @pgaudet and @jimhu-tamu

The reason the viral processes issue came up is that with the first suggested placement of the requested term in the ontology, there would have been no indication, by following the parentage, that what was being captured here was a viral process (if, indeed it is - I thought it was).

See my comment above with the screenshots of the ontology in AmiGO.

pgaudet commented 7 years ago

Thanks @vanaukenk !

So looking at the original reference (PMID:23303392): let me see if I understand the biology:

If that makes sense, then the only term you need to create would be 'suppression by virus of host protease activator activity'.

Thanks, Pascale

vanaukenk commented 7 years ago

I like this suggestion:

Another way to capture the function of phage Hex could be under 'suppression by virus of host molecular function', under which we could have something like 'suppression by virus of host protease activator activity'.

@jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness What do you think?