Closed sfmcguinness closed 6 years ago
This is for CACAO.
The specific situation is RecA stimulates autocleavage of many phage represses as well as some cellular proteins. Sarah is curating a paper that shows a phage 434 protein inhibits RecA stimulation of this autocleavage specifically for 434 repressor.
@sfmcguinness and @jimhu-tamu
I'm looking at this part of the ontology, and seeing two different possible parent terms, neither of which are 'autoproteolysis':
GO:0019538 protein metabolic process -GO:0006508 proteolysis --GO:0097264 self proteolysis ---GO:1990092 calcium-dependent self proteolysis ---GO:1990091 sodium-dependent self proteolysis
GO:0019538 protein metabolic process -GO:0051604 protein maturation -GO:0006508 proteolysis --GO:0016485 protein processing --GO:0016540 protein autoprocessing
The definitions are:
GO:0097264 self-proteolysis The hydrolysis of proteins into smaller polypeptides and/or amino acids by cleavage of their own peptide bonds. Source: GOC:yaf, PMID:18676612, PMID:19144634
GO:0016540 protein autoprocessing Processing which a protein carries out itself. This involves actions such as the autolytic removal of residues to generate the mature form of the protein. Source: GOC:ai, PMID:9335337
@ukemi - would it make sense to move GO:0097264 to be an is_a child of GO:0016540?
Also, @jimhu-tamu - Do the CACAO students use annotation extensions? I am wondering here about the correct usage and interpretation of the proposed term 'negative regulation of autoproteolysis'.
This paper sounds like a good candidate for a GO-CAM model.
would it make sense to move GO:0097264 to be an is_a child of GO:0016540?
It would only make sense if self-proteolysis always leads to the mature form of a protein. In any other context, we would break the true path rule.
PMID:24779472 suggests that it would break the true path rule.
Okay, thanks @ukemi
@jimhu-tamu and @sfmcguinness since we don't have 'autoproteolysis' but instead have 'self proteolysis' here's my proposal for term name and placement in the ontology:
GO:0045861 negative regulation of proteolysis -GO:new negative regulation of self proteolysis
Synonyms: negative regulation of self-proteolysis; negative regulation of autocleavage, negative regulation of autoproteolysis, negative regulation of autolysis
I would also propose to add synonyms to self proteolysis (GO:0097264):
Existing synonyms: self-proteolysis, autolysis New synonyms: autocleavage, autoproteolysis
Does that look okay to you?
yes but I would change the synonyms to remove autolysis. Autolysis is not a synonym for autoproteolysis, since autolysis is usually refers to a process at the cellular level.
Thanks, @jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness
In looking at the parentage for the new term, I see that it would map up to the 'cellular protein metabolic process' branch of the BP, but wouldn't have any relation to the 'viral processes' branch of the BP. Should the new term instead be under the 'viral processes' branch?
If so, then perhaps the new term should instead be a child of something like GO:0046726 positive regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell:
Although there are only four experimentally based annotations to GO:0046726 and they are all to human proteins, so I'm a bit uncertain about how this term was intended to be used.
@pgaudet - would annotating a viral protein to a term like GO:0046726 (or a more specific child term like 'negative regulation by virus of viral protein self proteolysis') be consistent with how the viral group would interpret its meaning?
In summary, I think the biology here is:
Hex (phage protein) -| RecA (bacterial protein) -> 434 (phage protein) self proteolysis
@jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness - is that right?
Sorry this has gotten complicated, but I just want to make sure we get the biology and ontology parentage correct.
It always gets complicated! Your diagram looks right to me. But note that the
Hi @vanaukenk
Most annotations to the terms:
regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell positive regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell negative regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell are indeed to host proteins and therefore wrong; I will challenge them.
Hi @pgaudet
What annotations to host proteins are you referring to? Not the original annotation we want to make, I hope.
Hi @jimhu-tamu
Most annotations are to host proteins:
Clearly the term 'regulation by virus of viral protein levels in host cell' should not apply here, right ?
Thanks, Pascale
@pgaudet
Initially that makes sense, and a quick scan suggests to me that many are wrong. But it may hard to tell just by looking at the gaf for the following reason:
if we have a process that is a chain of regulatory steps, wouldn't we annotate both host and viral proteins involved?
In the paper being curated by @sfmcguinness, hex is a viral protein, which regulates RecA, a host protein, which regulates cI, a viral protein, which regulates a program of viral gene expression. From a process perspective, shouldn't RecA be part of regulation by virus of protein levels in host cell? (Or whatever we use for regulation of viral transcription).
If yes, then some or all of those might be correct.
Hi @jimhu-tamu
I don't know why we came on the topic of viral process for this term in fact - why was this suggested already ?
Thanks, Pascale
I'm confused too.
;) @vanaukenk ? Help please !
Hi @pgaudet and @jimhu-tamu
The reason the viral processes issue came up is that with the first suggested placement of the requested term in the ontology, there would have been no indication, by following the parentage, that what was being captured here was a viral process (if, indeed it is - I thought it was).
See my comment above with the screenshots of the ontology in AmiGO.
Thanks @vanaukenk !
So looking at the original reference (PMID:23303392): let me see if I understand the biology:
Bacterial RecA normally triggers phage proteins to perform autoproteolysis, so this is some sort of "defense response to virus", and it should also be OK to annotate to "positive regulation of autoproteolysis" (which in this case is not a viral process). You could even use the term 'negative regulation by host of viral transcription' which is the phage target of RecA.
Phage Hex negatively regulates RecA. This could captured under 'modulation by symbiont of host defense response'; perhaps under that term you want to create 'inhibition by virus of negative regulation by host of viral transcription' (but that's a mouthful! and a Noctua model probably). Another way to capture the function of phage Hex could be under 'suppression by virus of host molecular function', under which we could have something like 'suppression by virus of host protease activator activity'.
If that makes sense, then the only term you need to create would be 'suppression by virus of host protease activator activity'.
Thanks, Pascale
I like this suggestion:
Another way to capture the function of phage Hex could be under 'suppression by virus of host molecular function', under which we could have something like 'suppression by virus of host protease activator activity'.
@jimhu-tamu @sfmcguinness What do you think?