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Hi @djow2019 Looking at PMID:26416906, the abstract starts with this sentence: "Chlamydia trachomatis is an obligate intracellular pathogen that replicates in a membrane-bound vacuole termed the inclusion"
So it looks like we're talking about 'symbiont inclusion body', isn't it ?
Thanks, Pascale
Could you please double-check these terms. According to PMID:26416906, the inclusion is a type of host vacuole, not necessarily an aggregate (?). Would it be better to make a vacuole term with a synonym and then make children of it?
@pgaudet we are interested in annotating localization of chlamydia proteins. So we considered symbiont-containing vacuolar space (GO:0020004) (or one of its children), but I don't think this would be right from the perspective of Chlamydia proteins (right?). Another possible candidate would be host symbiosome (GO:0043658) (or one of its children). Hmm, that one also has the advantage of already having children for host peribacteroid fluid (GO:0043665) and host peribacteroid membrane (GO:0043664), which roughly align with the child terms requested above.
@ukemi I asked @djow2019 to create the proposed definition for host inclusion body
based on the existing term for inclusion body (GO:0016234), but in retrospect perhaps that wasn't the best idea...
Basically we've been all over the map in terms of new terms vs existing terms, and how confident we are in that assessment. At this point, some professional guidance would be much appreciated... ;)
Also tagging https://github.com/geneontology/helpdesk/issues/113 for completeness, and our domain Chlamydia domain experts @khybiske and @putmantime...
Thanks @andrewsu I've added all these contacts on our groups contact page: https://github.com/geneontology/go-site/blob/master/metadata/group-contacts.csv
About the terms and the papers proposed here:
PMID:11121744 mentions inclusion bodies but from the perspective of what would be the host, and doesn't mention any symbiont, so we should not consider it as support for the requested terms.
PMID:26416906 described the 'inclusion' and en endosome that has been modified by the symbiont, so it's not a host structure, in my opinion (but it would be useful if @khybiske and @putmantime would weigh in).
My solution would be to create a term like 'symbiont inclusion body' that would be defined as a membrane-bounded intracellular organelle, originating by endocytosis of the symbiont (in the case of Chlamydia, this is referred to as elementary body (EB)), and then modified by the symbiont to avoid host defenses.
It could be directly under 'GO:0005575 cellular_component', like 'GO:0039679 viral occlusion body' (or we could group these two terms as 'symbiotic structure found in host cell' or something along those lines).
This are just quick suggestions, I am sure they can be improved.
I am tagging @pmasson55 for his input on the similarities with viruses.
Thanks, Pascale
Thank you @pgaudet and @ukemi . I had a very informative conversation with @khybiske this afternoon, which I'll attempt to summarize here. Kevin did not feel that "symbiont" was the best way to capture the organismal relationship given Chlamydia's role as a human pathogen. He also educated me that the use of "inclusion" is perhaps a historical artifact in the Chlamydia community that doesn't generalize to analogous structures for other pathogens (e.g., TB, malaria, Salmonella). So following @ukemi's suggestion, we converged on the following suggestion based on vacuole for your review:
New term: pathogen-containing vacuole
New term: pathogen-containing vacuole membrane
New term: pathogen-containing vacuole lumen
The above structure would also allow for children terms for pathogen-specific terms, for example:
New term: chlamydia inclusion
though if we did that, would we also need new terms for chlamydia inclusion membrane
and chlamydia inclusion lumen
?
Finally, Kevin clarified that elementary body
and reticulate body
are developmental forms of chlamydia that are found in (but not limited to) chlamydia inclusions. We found matches in the Brenda Tissue Ontology (BTO_0000377 and BTO_0001172, respectively). We defer to your judgement on whether these should be added to GO with an xref, or whether we should just use the BTO terms.
Thank you!
Hi @andrewsu
The proposal looks reasonable to me, although (1) I don't understand why you need the term 'chlamydia inclusion'; do you envision to create distinct terms for any pathogen being integrated by this mechanism? Could we use the annotations to provide that information, ie if you are annotating a Chlamydia protein to 'pathogen-containing vacuole', aren't you implying that it's a chlamydia inclusion ?
(2) For the ontology structure, as it is now, I think we need to specify whether we are describing a host structure. I don't know if 'vacuole' as a parent is ok. Thanks, Pascale
Hi @pgaudet,
(1) Thanks for raising this issue. I forgot to mention that we are more than happy to defer the decision on whether to create the pathogen-specific term to your collective judgement. You're right that we don't need it, and would be happy to annotate relative to the parent term of pathogen-containing vacuole
.
(2) Also very happy to defer to you here. I think you're right that vacuole
probably isn't correct, since that would imply it is a vacuole in the Chlamydia. I wasn't sure about a parent in the host cell
tree because the vacuole is created at the time of interaction between the host cell and the bacterium, so it's not a pre-existing structure within the host cell. But having said all that, I trust your judgment on where to place these terms much more than mine...
thanks!
Thanks @andrewsu ! I would like to get @pmasson55 's input - (and anyone else who would like to comment). We'll make a suggestion tomorrow.
Thanks, Pascale
Talking with @pmasson55 and Catherine Rivoire, we propose this:
host_cell part -- pathogen inclusion ---- bacterial inclusion ---- viral occlusion body
-- pathogen inclusion membrane ---- bacterial inclusion membrane ---- (no viral occlusion body - not appropriate)
-- pathogen inclusion lumen ---- bacterial inclusion lumen ---- (no viral occlusion body- not appropriate)
OK with you @andrewsu @khybiske and @putmantime ?
Thanks, Pascale
Hi @pgaudet. I thought you said you would take this one.
Thank you! I had another quick follow up conversation with @khybiske, and we agree that the structure you propose will serve our annotation needs just fine. Having said that, we have two minor suggestions for your consideration.
the use of "inclusion" appears to be somewhat specific to the chlamydia research community, and something more generic like "pathogen-containing vacuole" may be more inclusive of other pathogen communities.
if we interpret this correctly, you are proposing:
-- host_cell
has_part
pathogen inclusion
-- host_cell
has_part
pathogen inclusion membrane
-- host_cell
has_part
pathogen inclusion lumen
So that annotations to pathogen inclusion membrane
have an explicit link to pathogen inclusion
would this alternate structure make sense?
-- host_cell
has_part
pathogen inclusion
-- pathogen inclusion
has_part
pathogen inclusion membrane
-- pathogen inclusion
has_part
pathogen inclusion lumen
@khybiske please chime in to confirm I've summarized our discussion correctly, and @putmantime if there's anything from your perspective that we've missed. Thank you everyone!
EDIT: and just to emphasize, the two suggestions are by no means required for our use case, so going with your last proposal will be great from our perspective as well...
I agree with @andrewsu 's recommendations. What @pgaudet proposed will work and makes sense.
But if we want to make it future-proof... the term 'inclusion' is jargon specific for Chlamydia, and so it is less applicable to other pathogen communities. Semantically, 'pathogen containing vacuole (or compartment)' is more commonly used and generalizable. That would be my recommendation, but the proposed terms above work great for our immediate needs.
Also, it conceptually makes more sense to me if 'inclusion membrane' and 'inclusion lumen' were children of 'bacterial inclusion'.
But like @andrewsu said, we are perfectly happy with your suggestions if you disagree. Thanks!!
if we interpret this correctly, you are proposing: Yes @andrewsu , this is it.
Thanks to all for the input, I'll create the terms.
Here are the terms. I edited the definitions a little, please @andrewsu @khybiske @putmantime let me know if it's OK.
+[Term] +id: GO:0140220 +name: pathogen-containing vacuole +namespace: cellular_component +def: "A membrane-bound intracellular compartment that is formed upon internalization of a pathogen into a host cell, and in which the pathogen resides." [PMID:10560000, PMID:26842840] +synonym: "pathogen inclusion" RELATED [] +synonym: "pathogen-containing compartment" RELATED [] +is_a: GO:0033643 ! host cell part +created_by: pg +creation_date: 2018-04-20T06:02:14Z + +[Term] +id: GO:0140221 +name: pathogen-containing vacuole membrane +namespace: cellular_component +def: "Host-derived membrane of a pathogen-containing vacuole." [PMID:10560000, PMID:26842840] +synonym: "pathogen inclusion membrane" RELATED [] +synonym: "pathogen-containing compartment membrane" EXACT [] +is_a: GO:0016020 ! membrane +relationship: part_of GO:0140220 ! pathogen-containing vacuole +created_by: pg +creation_date: 2018-04-20T06:18:25Z + +[Term] +id: GO:0140222 +name: pathogen-containing vacuole lumen +namespace: cellular_component +def: "The enclosed volume within the sealed membrane of a pathogen-containing vacuole." [PMID:10560000, PMID:26842840] +synonym: "lumen of a pathogen-containing vacuole" EXACT [] +synonym: "pathogen inclusion lumen" RELATED [] +synonym: "pathogen-containing compartment lumen" EXACT [] +synonym: "pathogen-containing vacuolar lumen" EXACT [] +is_a: GO:0031974 ! membrane-enclosed lumen +relationship: part_of GO:0140220 ! pathogen-containing vacuole +created_by: pg +creation_date: 2018-04-20T06:24:02Z
Thanks, Pascale
@pmasson55 Is 'pathogen-containing vacuole' really the correct parent for 'viral occlusion body', given the definition above ?
Thanks, Pascale
Looks great to me, thank you @pgaudet!
I would like to request the creation of three new GO terms which follow the Host Cell hierarchy. They are as follows:
Host Cell Inclusion Body
Host Cell Inclusion Membrane
Host Cell Inclusion Lumen