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Axon homeostasis #15664

Closed sylvainpoux closed 6 years ago

sylvainpoux commented 6 years ago

Would it be possible to create a new GO term for Axon homeostasis.

I know we do not create terms related to diseases, but it looks like some protein coding genes are specifically required to 1) prevent axon destruction (NMNAT2), while another protein, MYCBP2, is specifically required to degrade NMNAT2 to promote axon degradation/degeneration

After discussing with Pascale, we thought that creating 'Axon homeostasis' would be helpful

Thanks

Sylvain

PMID:20126265; PMID:23082226; PMID:23665224; PMID:23610559;

RLovering commented 6 years ago

response from SynGO

Hi,

We're mostly focussed on synapses atm so I have not really thought about ontology models for dendrites and axons. In general, I do not favor using terms that describe phenotypes/diseases.

In SynGO we use very generic terms for such cases, something like 'axon maintenance' following https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20126265 (SynGO maintenance terms; GO:0099559, GO:0098880, GO:0048790, GO:0099562). We're currently short on experts and annotation coverage for synapse organization and synaptogenesis terms. Although I hope we can expand to this a bit in the near future, I cannot contribute a structural solution for annotating synapse/axon/dendrite organization mechanisms that is widely applicable.

Best, Frank

ukemi commented 6 years ago

We have neuron projection maintenance. Do we want to make an axon child? Are the mechanisms different enough?

sylvainpoux commented 6 years ago

Hi Ruth and David, I was not aware of neuron projection maintenance. As I'm not very familiar with this topic and that the process described in my papers are not well defined, I would say that using neuron projection maintenance is fine for the moment. However, as said, I'm not familiar with such processes Thanks a lot for your help Sylvain

BarbaraCzub commented 6 years ago

Hi @ukemi I do not think there is any evidence in literature for different mechanics... (or at least not yet). The term 'neuron projection maintenance' is intended to cover both axons and dendrites, so any neuron projections, generally referred to as 'neurites' in literature.

In fact the results sections in the papers cited by @sylvainpoux also describe mostly 'neurites' rather than specifically axons (unless animal work is presented). So 'neuron projection maintenance' is definitely applicable in these studies and I would not use a more specific term, if the experimental evidence comes from cell culture-based work.

For the studies done in adult animals (e.g. Figure 1 in PMID: 23665224) I would be happy to use a more specific term 'axon maintenance', as here there is no ambiguity about whether or not the described neurite is indeed an axon.

So with regard to GO term specificity, I would only go as far as I would be able to infer from the experimental assay. Here: cell work --> neurite, animal work --> axon. (But The mechanics of the neurite process in the cell culture may as well be more or less the same as for the axon process in the animal).

@ukemi based on the above, would you add 'axon maintenance' as a child term of 'neuron projection maintenance'? Or would you perhaps make it a broad synonym of 'neuron projection maintenance'? @paolaroncaglia what would be your recommendation?

cc: @RLovering

ukemi commented 6 years ago

Hi @BarbaraCzub. Unless we want to specifically distinguish the maintenance of axons versus dendrites, then I would not make new terms. I would make narrow synonyms because axon is narrower than neuron projection. It is probably possible to make the distinction using annotation extensions.

BarbaraCzub commented 6 years ago

Hi @ukemi, yes, it is possible to capture the axon vs. dendrite in the annotation extensions. I'll 'axon maintenance' as a narrow synonym then. Thank you!

BarbaraCzub commented 6 years ago

Hm... I wonder whether this should actually be a related synonym? (Is there any documentation that I could refer to?)

ukemi commented 6 years ago

Related is always safe.

paolaroncaglia commented 6 years ago

@BarbaraCzub ‘axon’ is_a ‘neuron projection’, so to me ‘axon maintenance’ should be a narrow synonym of ‘neuron projection maintenance’. Yes, related synonyms are always safe when in doubt. Some guidance is here: http://geneontology.org/page/ontology-structure#extras

ukemi commented 6 years ago

http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/Curator_Guide:_General_Conventions#Synonyms

BarbaraCzub commented 6 years ago

Thank you @paolaroncaglia and @ukemi for the guidance notes! I added 'axon maintenance' and 'axon homeostasis' as related synonyms, because 'neurite maintenance' had been previously added as a narrow synonym:

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And 'neurite' is also a narrow synonym of a 'neuron projection' (https://www.ebi.ac.uk/QuickGO/term/GO:0043005).

But based on the guidelines in the above links, which you both shared (thank you!), it looks like 'neurite...' should be exact, and 'axon...' should be narrow synonyms, respectively. @ukemi can you think of a reason why 'neurite' had been added as a narrow synonym previously? Based on my understanding of the literature a 'neurite' is an exactly the same structure as a 'neuron projection'. Although the latter is actually very rarely used in literature (usually researchers use the shorter term 'neurite').

Having read the guidance notes, I think the synonyms should be as follows:

'GO:0043005 neuron projection'

--> 'neurite' [exact]

'GO:1990535 neuron projection maintenance'

--> 'neurite maintenance' [exact] --> 'neurite homeostasis' [exact] --> 'neuron projection homeostasis' [exact] --> 'neuronal cell projection homeostasis' [exact] --> 'neuron process homeostasis' [exact] --> 'neuron protrusion homeostasis' [exact] --> 'axon maintenance' [narrow] --> 'axon homeostasis' [narrow]

But there are many more 'neuron projection...' terms in the ontology for which 'neurite' had been added as a 'narrow' synonym, and not exact. And e.g. 'neurite morphogenesis' is a related synonym of 'GO:0048812 neuron projection morphogenesis', and not even narrow...

The guidance notes also say that the main purpose of the synonyms is to help with searches, so I am not going to address these synonym issues now. But perhaps in the future, we should consider whether we even have a need for synonym types?

ukemi commented 6 years ago

Unless there are neuron projections that are not neurites. Seems possible.

BarbaraCzub commented 6 years ago

There are certainly neuron types, which have a primary cilium. (But in the ontology a cilium is a descendant of cell projection rather than the more specific neuron projection). But, yes, a cilium would be a neuron projection other than a neurite. I did not consider this. Thank you!

paolaroncaglia commented 6 years ago

@BarbaraCzub In reply to your note “perhaps in the future, we should consider whether we even have a need for synonym types?” A couple of quick thoughts here. One is that it is important to differentiate exact synonyms from all others, because an exact synonym is to all extents equivalent to the primary name (the latter is usually chosen on the basis of usage and/or clarity). This has practical implications, so it’s important that exact synonyms are really exact (e.g. ‘signalling’ and ‘signalling’ are the same, but ‘ciliary transition zone’ and ‘CTZ’ are not, as the latter may also refer to ‘chemoreceptive trigger zone’ - CTZ should be related, not exact). Another thought is that, among biomedical ontologies, GO is one of the few (to my knowledge) that has this richness of variety in synonym types which ultimately adds to knowledge content and quality. Sure, it is not the most essential aspect of GO, but I like to think that it can help curators if applied thoughtfully throughout. This said, i agree that this ticket is resolved :-)