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Merge RNA polymerase II transcription cofactor activity transcription cofactor activity in parent #15665

Closed pgaudet closed 6 years ago

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

So this has no impact on annotations.

@krchristie @ValWood @RLovering is this OK ?

Thanks, Pascale

RLovering commented 6 years ago

Im happy with this

Ruth

ValWood commented 6 years ago

me too.

krchristie commented 6 years ago

So, if you eliminate all of the RNAP II specific terms, how are people going to be able to identify the ones that affect RNAP II, versus some other RNAP? Especially considering that most people only want to know about RNAP II...

ValWood commented 6 years ago

HI Karen,

Do we have terms for RNAP I & III specific cofactors currently? I don't see any? Do you have an examples ? (it isn't a term I have ever needed yet for pol I or III)?

Val

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Hi @krchristie

There are no other children terms (non-polII). Do you know of examples ?

Pascale

krchristie commented 6 years ago

The issue isn't eukaryotic RNA pols I or III. However, cofactors might apply to plant pols IV and V since these are more close related to RNA pol II.

Also, the generic terms are all flagged as being in the prokaryotic subset and I have vague recollections that the bacterial transcription community may indeed refer to transcription coactivators and corepressors. Probably good to get input from @dsiegele and @jimhu-tamu before changing these terms.

ValWood commented 6 years ago

So, if you eliminate all of the RNAP II specific terms, how are people going to be able to identify the ones that affect RNAP II, versus some other RNAP? Especially considering that most people only want to know about RNAP II...

Maybe this will become a documentation issue: Retrieve all genes involved in "transcription by RNA polymerase II (GO:0006366)" and then break down by function (GSTF, cofactor, general). This is kind of what @vanaukenk was saying on the call (I think?) were you?

But it could be a moot issue for species where "all" annotations to "GO:0003712 transcription cofactor activity" are already pol II.

dsiegele commented 6 years ago

Should I start a new issue?

I am OK with the recommended mergers, but I have a question about the definitions of: GO:0003712 transcription cofactor activity GO:0003713 transcription coactivator activity GO:0003714 transcription corepressor activity

The definitions of all 3 terms include the statement "Cofactors generally do not bind the template nucleic acid, but rather mediate protein-protein interactions." In prokaryotes, most transcription transcriptional activators and repressors do bind to the genomic nucleic acid and altering the DNA binding sites for the proteins prevents them acting.

Also, at least in E. coli, the terms corepressor and coactivator often refer to the small molecules that modulate the activity of a protein factor. For example, tryptophan is the corepressor for the TrpR protein: the complex binds to the genomic DNA and represses transcription of the trp operon. Could something be added to the comments to point out this difference.

I apologize for the late response, but it is near the end of the semester and all my neurons are occupied with grading exams.

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Hi @dsiegele

Thanks for your response. In the new organisation this would be considered a 'repressor', not a co-repressor. I understand that the bacterial nomenclature might be different; but in principle does this make sense to you ? GO:0001217 bacterial-type RNA polymerase transcriptional repressor activity, sequence-specific DNA binding

Yesterday I also added a taxon constraint (never in bacteria) for transcription cofactor activity (there was a single annotation to P69348/yoeB, which I have discussed with the SP curator who made it; she was waiting for more guidance to move it).

Does that sound OK to you ? Will you be at the GOC meeting ?

Thanks, Pascale