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Merge 'cellular response to dsRNA' into 'cellular response to exogenous dsRNA' #16323

Closed pgaudet closed 4 years ago

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Following up on #14263

We should merge 'GO:0071359 cellular response to dsRNA' into 'GO:0071360 cellular response to exogenous dsRNA', since this what the term was presumably created for (see discussion in #14263)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CmncvLQ3y_eukC7OfT37NTAcT_1gB3SZTg8FALj0M4g/edit#gid=0

Groups impacted:

Group  Number manual annotations
MGI 2
UniProt 3
RGD 6
pgaudet commented 6 years ago

@ukemi @ggeorghiou @slaulederkind

Can you please have a look ?

Thanks, Pascale

ukemi commented 6 years ago

PMID:24114535 suggests that endogenous RNA encoded by the Alu locus helps to trigger the inflammasome response in mice and humans. I think this needs to be investigated before this merge occurs. Do cells respond to endogenous retroviral transposons?

ukemi commented 6 years ago

PMID:26068187

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

How about a term like 'cellular response to retrotransposon-derived dsRNA'?

ukemi commented 6 years ago

But then what is the parent of both terms? I'm sure there are conserved mechanisms.

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

How about 'response to foreign dsRNA' ? PMID:15877599

ukemi commented 6 years ago

I don't know the field well enough to know if the mechanisms are completely conserved between responses to exogenous and endogenous dsRNA. If they are conserved, why not just have the generic term?

deustp01 commented 6 years ago

My textbook says that for larger multicellular organisms, there are no endogenous dsRNAs, only exogenous (primarily viral) ones, and that's why innate immune responses triggered by any dsRNA are a good thing.

ukemi commented 6 years ago

But what about endogenous retroviruses? I was looking at this paper: PMID:24114535

At some point are the stable ones considered endogenous? They become stable genome features. MGI:2675046

deustp01 commented 6 years ago

My textbook is incomplete and a bit out of date. However, from the introduction to the paper, it looks like the basic idea may be right: persistent dsRNA triggers innate immune reactions; the normal response to endogenous retroviral transcripts is immediate degradation.

"Geographic atrophy (GA) is an advanced form of age-related macular degeneration characterized by central loss of vision due to confluent areas of retinal pigmented epithelium (RPE) loss and overlying photoreceptor degeneration. To date, there is no approved therapy available for this disease, due largely to lack of clear understanding of its molecular pathogenesis. Recently, we showed that the microRNA (miRNA) processing enzyme DICER1 is specifically reduced in the RPE of GA eyes. The reduced DICER1 levels in the RPE result in an increased abundance of Alu RNA transcripts, which in turn promotes RPE cell death. Under healthy conditions, DICER1-mediated enzymatic processing metabolizes these Alu RNAs into innocuous cleavage fragments; consequently a deficit in DICER1 abundance results in an increased accumulation of toxic Alu RNA transcripts and RPE degeneration."

So on the one hand it is an endogenous dsRNA but on the other the response to it is not a normal process.

deustp01 commented 6 years ago

(sorry - hit the wrong button)

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Ah! Thanks Peter - so what is the function of DICER with respect to the Alu RNA transcripts ? Would it be ore correct to annotate to ' GO:0071025 RNA surveillance, "The chemical reactions and pathways resulting in the breakdown of RNA, ribonucleic acid, one of the two main type of nucleic acid, consisting of a long, unbranched macromolecule formed from ribonucleotides joined in 3',5'-phosphodiester linkage" (and a child of RNA catabolic process)?

Pascale

deustp01 commented 6 years ago

With the proviso that I'm totally non-expert here, RNA surveillance sounds right. That looks like a normal function and its failure leads to pathology.

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

@ukemi does that work for you ?

ukemi commented 6 years ago

yup.

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

@slaulederkind and @ggeorghiou I haven't seen a response to these review requests: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CmncvLQ3y_eukC7OfT37NTAcT_1gB3SZTg8FALj0M4g/edit#gid=0

Can you please let me know if you are OK with the merge?

Thanks, Pascale

slaulederkind commented 6 years ago

I haven't seen a consideration of pre-miRNA, which is endogenous dsRNA. Dicer is also a processer of pre-miRNA.

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

@slaulederkind Can you please explain? pre-miRNA presumably gets cleaved into mature miRNA - what response to pre-miRNA are you trying to capture ?

Thanks, Pascale

slaulederkind commented 6 years ago

The increase in a particular pre-miRNA will have an effect on various genes/gene products. PMID:19958814 But you'd probably be more convinced of the need for endogenous dsRNA by considering siRNA. PMID:11238371

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

Hi @slaulederkind I am not convinced that the glutamate ionotropic receptor AMPA type subunit 1 responds to miRNA: in fact it seems to regulate them (although indirectly). How about "GO:0060964 regulation of gene silencing by miRNA"? Wouldn't that represent better the role of Gria1 here ?

Pascale

slaulederkind commented 6 years ago

That's a good point about Gria1. But for the general dsRNA issue, I think the siRNA duplex is reason enough to keep a term for endogenous dsRNA. PMID:11238371

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

The point is not that there is no endogenous dsRNA in the cell; the question is, is there a response to it? Can you give examples where that term would be relevant ?

slaulederkind commented 6 years ago

The kinase activity of Pkr responds to levels of dsRNA. PMID:30174290

RLovering commented 6 years ago

isn't there also dsRNA when microRNAs anneal with their target mRNA? As well as dsRNA due to internal annealing?

pgaudet commented 6 years ago

But is this really a 'response'? Could it not be a more specific pathway, a bit like the 'RNA surveillance' that David encountered above ? I am trying to understand what the mtRNAs are signaling, but the paper only reports 'mtRNA binding' and the activation of Pkr following that binding.

deustp01 commented 6 years ago

Here is another paper from the same authors that Stan cited earlier - PMID:24939934 Judging from their abstract, they are working hard to make the interaction of endogenous dsRNA and PRK behave like the initiation step of a signaling cascade:

dsRNA-dependent protein kinase R (PKR) is a ubiquitously expressed enzyme well known for its roles in immune response. Upon binding to viral dsRNA, PKR undergoes autophosphorylation, and the phosphorylated PKR (pPKR) regulates translation and multiple signaling pathways in infected cells. Here, we found that PKR is activated in uninfected cells, specifically during mitosis, by binding to dsRNAs formed by inverted Alu repeats (IRAlus). While PKR and IRAlu-containing RNAs are segregated in the cytosol and nucleus of interphase cells, respectively, they interact during mitosis when nuclear structure is disrupted. Once phosphorylated, PKR suppresses global translation by phosphorylating the α subunit of eukaryotic initiation factor 2 (eIF2α). In addition, pPKR acts as an upstream kinase for c-Jun N-terminal kinase and regulates the levels of multiple mitotic factors such as cyclins A and B and Polo-like kinase 1 and phosphorylation of histone H3. Disruption of PKR activation via RNAi or expression of a transdominant-negative mutant leads to misregulation of the mitotic factors, delay in mitotic progression, and defects in cytokinesis. Our study unveils a novel function of PKR and endogenous dsRNAs as signaling molecules during the mitosis of uninfected cells.

Looking at the list of other papers citing this one, it's less clear whether this idea is getting much traction with other workers, but that's an annotation strategy issue - capture the consensus of the field or capture each distinct viewpoint?

ukemi commented 6 years ago

Isn't response to exogenous ds RNA a signaling cascade as well? This is one of my longstanding beefs about the 'response to' terms. Much like the regulation terms, they are always a stand-in for another process once the pathway is elucidated. I'm not saying we don't need to capture that fuzziness, but from a knowledge representation standpoint of biology it is unsatisfying.

slaulederkind commented 6 years ago

That sounds correct. We use 'response to' when the data lacks details of the specific process being affected.

pgaudet commented 4 years ago

OK, I am leaving this as-is: