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GO:0043575 detection of osmotic stimulus #20133

Open ValWood opened 4 years ago

ValWood commented 4 years ago

GO:0043575 detection of osmotic stimulus

Definition (GO:0043575 GONUTS page) The series of events in which a stimulus indicating an increase or decrease in the concentration of solutes outside the organism or cell is received and converted into a molecular signal.

This has a single annotation. I suggest merging into parent

GO:0006970 response to osmotic stress

'sensors' belong in the MF ontology GO:0140299 small molecule sensor activity

pgaudet commented 4 years ago

I merged that one, but there are others that should also be merged, to be consistent (note that the list is not exhaustive; some children are not shown) :

I can probably obsolete the terms with no annotations, and we can review the others.

What do you think ?

Thanks, Pascale

ValWood commented 4 years ago

Yes. One question. Is it OK to merge processes into activities. I thought that caused problems for some users. @hattrill did this cause issues for FB?

I think it is OK to obsolete the unused ones. For the others some people use in more. of a general signalling context, I believe.

I would be tempted to obsolete and tell people to annotatate either: I) to the appropriate signalling pathway OR, if they are annotating a sensor ii) request a term under MF molecular sensor

You can't do everything!

hattrill commented 4 years ago

wrt GO:0043575 detection of osmotic stimulus - can't say, no annotations to this.

Agree with "...OK to obsolete the unused ones."

Things under sensory perception can be hard to pin down - neuronal circuits are sometimes a bit hard to pindown. You might be pretty sure that you are looking at a machanoreceptor or phermone receptor for example, but assay is not detailed enough to put a MF to it, so the best you can say is that it is required to detect that stimulus but how that is translated at the cellular level is opaque.

ValWood commented 4 years ago

You might be pretty sure that you are looking at a machanoreceptor or phermone receptor for example, but assay is not detailed enough to put a MF to it

Why is that? could you use "EXP" in these cases, i.e experiments confirm it, and it is author intent but you don't really want to say it has been assayed? Or would a "signalling pathway" annotation not be more appropriate? Do you have an example where you would not feel confident to annotate to "sensor" I'm trying to figure out why you could say 'detection' and not say 'sensor' or signalling'?

pgaudet commented 4 years ago

You might be pretty sure that you are looking at a machanoreceptor or phermone receptor for example, but assay is not detailed enough to put a MF to it

Would you not annotate to 'signaling receptor activity' and some neuronal process ?

hattrill commented 4 years ago

e.g. Might be a behavioural assay. So it could be a receptor that binds the ligand, but it could be a downstream signaling component or be a screted factor that does something. Sometimes the 'author intent' + background knowledge is enough, other times it is not.