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Incorrect parentage GO:0010515 negative regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion #20936

Open ValWood opened 3 years ago

ValWood commented 3 years ago

GO:0010515 negative regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion

is a descendant of GO:0031139 positive regulation of conjugation with cellular fusion

so, all our negative regulators of conjugation are annotated to "positive regulation"

(I don't really understand the difference between positive regulation, and induction in the context of regulating conjugation?)

CC @Antonialock

ValWood commented 3 years ago

I put this at high priority because it's very misleading... I'm trying to approve a conjugation/sexual differention paper and I'm way out of my comfort zone.... There seem to be way too many ways to say the same thing...

pgaudet commented 3 years ago

Right, we have 'negative regulation of positive regulation' --- very confusing indeed.

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pgaudet commented 3 years ago

Are you sure 'GO:0010515 negative regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion' is a process? All annotations are IMP by pombase. The first paper I look at, PMID:1863602, is a mutant that fails to induce conjugation.

Same for PMID:10792724 - it looks like the signaling required for induction is disrupted; but not that the genes mutated are negatively regulating induction of conjugation.

One possibility would be to merge GO:0010515 negative regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion into GO:0031138 negative regulation of conjugation with cellular fusion (but that may not even correctly capture the data)

Can you please have a look ?

ValWood commented 3 years ago

I am new to annotating this area, @Antonialock used to do this as it is her area of expertise.

I do know that the cAMP pathway specifically inhibits conjugation:

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Biologically it is correct, and the annotation is correct- cAMP signalling inhibits conjugation. the mutants " They conjugate and sporulate under conditions that normally inhibit wild-type strains." because the negative control is lost. Overexpression fails to induce conjugation.

But I don't know how we should capture this in GO. It seems that what is regulated is the 'switch' for sexual differentiation, and that 'conjugation is the first step after the switch.

I'm struggling to separate GO:0010514 induction of conjugation with cellular fusion "GO:0032005 signal transduction involved in positive regulation of conjugation with cellular fusion" "GO:0110044 regulation of cell cycle switching, mitotic to meiotic cell cycle" GO:0110046 signal transduction involved in cell cycle switching, mitotic to meiotic cell cycle GO:1900237 positive regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion

PMID:10792724 seems to describing the mechanism to turn off the signal by degrading the pheromone. So this looks like negative regulation too? But I think this is maybe should only be "negative regulation of pheromone signalling" (seems to be to allow cells to return to mitotic cycle if conjugation did not take place).

Again, I defer to @Antonialock as this is her PhD supervisors work!

To me the merges would make sense, but @Antonialock would need to confirm. I'm way out of my comfort zone. I'm curating a checking sexual differentiation paper right now and I'm on day two I'm having to do so much reading to get my head around it!

pgaudet commented 3 years ago

Hi @Antonialock - have you had a chance to look at this one?

pgaudet commented 3 years ago

I'm going through the high priority - @Antonialock if you find a bit of time to help with this it'd be great.

Antonialock commented 3 years ago

I agree there are too many terms in this area. I did most annotation right when I started so many are old, I remember it was confusing understanding the diffference between them. I think a lot of terms could be purged. I'll try and take a look.

pgaudet commented 2 years ago

ping @AntoniaLock

As stated above - we could start by merging GO:0010515 negative regulation of induction of conjugation with cellular fusion into GO:0031138 negative regulation of conjugation with cellular fusion

Thanks, pascale