Closed hattrill closed 9 months ago
This taxon restriction is still causing issues for C. elegans annotations. In Padua, we discussed the possibility of having a grouping class, e.g. transforming growth factor beta-like signaling pathway, or maybe we could define the existing pathway terms more precisely by including components downstream of the receptor and that might help. Either way, it'd be good to sort this out, perhaps on one of the signaling group calls or an ontology call. Thx.
@vanaukenk just commenting to say that I've seen this and it's on the list. Will look at it today.
Thanks @hattrill
Hi @vanaukenk In QuickGO I can see 19 annotations under GO:0007179 transforming growth factor beta receptor signaling pathway for c.elegans
It looks like there are three TGFR class receptors in c.elegans: sma-6 & daf-4 are part of GO:0030509 BMP signaling pathway and daf-1 is part of GO:0032924 activin receptor signaling pathway
I am wondering if you could assign these annotations to either: GO:0030509 BMP signaling pathway or GO:0032924 activin receptor signaling pathway
rather than fixing it with an umbrella class term for this one?
sma-10 has been shown to interact with sma-6 & daf-4, but looks like it's probably a regulator of BMP signaling than part of.
for components that act at the level of SMAD protein signal transduction, perhaps annotate to this term or regulation terms.
Thanks @hattrill
I think what I am wrestling with is reconciling orthology data with GO classes.
In C. elegans, we have two Type I receptors, but only a single Type II receptor that does double duty.
In one case, the Type II receptor (and other genetically/physically defined members of that pathway) could reasonably be annotated to the BMP receptor signaling pathway term, but in the other case, that same Type II receptor combines with what looks to be a Type I activin-like receptor. The ligand in this other pathway seems to group with the vertebrate GDFs. So for the latter example, would you recommend annotating all members of that signaling pathway to both the activin receptor and BMP receptor signaling pathways?
I'm beginning to understand better now why in the C. elegans literature they describe signaling through the different Type I and Type II receptors and the phenotypic outcomes, but don't always choose a more specific TGFb superfamily signaling pathway to reference.
Let me know if it'd be easier to chat in person.
Hi @vanaukenk I think that if you have had a good go at it and can't put it the pots that we have in GO, then you do need the TGFb superclass term.
Perhaps we need to think of a term pattern that could be used for other superfamilies? transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway rather than -like (as might be confusing with situations where "like" is used for a non-umbrella pathway e.g. insulin-like growth factor type.
Thanks @hattrill
I like the idea of creating a new 'transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway' parent term that we could use for annotation when the various members of the C. elegans pathways don't all fit neatly into one of the more specific child pathway terms.
Shall I create that NTR?
Yes :-)
@hattrill
Here's a proposed new term with definition and references, and a new proposed hierarchy:
transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway (NEW)
Def: The series of molecular signals initiated by an extracellular ligand binding to a member of the transforming growth factor receptor superfamily, and ending with the regulation of a downstream cellular process, e.g. transcription.
PMID: 28096268 PMID: 22651914
transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway (NEW)
It's a pretty standard term definition, but if you think it looks okay, I'll create the NTR proposal ticket and link it here. I'll only add corresponding regulation terms if/when I think they're needed.
Thanks.
@vanaukenk I am happy with that.
+[Term] +id: GO:0141091 +name: transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway +namespace: biological_process +def: "The series of molecular signals initiated by an extracellular ligand binding to a member of the transforming growth factor receptor superfamily, and ending with the regulation of a downstream cellular process, e.g. transcription." [PMID:22651914, PMID:28096268] +synonym: "TGF-beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway" EXACT [] +synonym: "TGF-beta receptor superfamily signalling pathway" EXACT [] +synonym: "TGFbeta receptor superfamily signaling pathway" EXACT [] +synonym: "TGFbeta receptor superfamily signalling pathway" EXACT [] +synonym: "transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signalling pathway" EXACT [] +is_a: GO:0007178 ! transmembrane receptor protein serine/threonine kinase signaling pathway +created_by: pg +creation_date: 2023-08-30T05:48:29Z
Leaving this open to deal with the taxon constraints of the various terms.
see also https://github.com/geneontology/go-annotation/issues/4231
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@vanaukenk Does this (not so new) "new" term (GO:0141091 transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway) address the C elegans issue?
Note that right now that GO:0141091 transforming growth factor beta receptor superfamily signaling pathway doesn't have TC yet; could we add only Metazoa?
Thanks @pgaudet @hattrill
Yes, I think that new term addresses the C. elegans annotation issues. I think we could add an 'only in Metazoa' TC for this term.
transforming growth factor beta receptor signaling pathway GO:0007179 (as this is for the subfamily not the superfamily)
Only in taxon: Deuterostome
PMID: 35309318 "TGF-b superfamily members: TGF-betas, Activins, Inhibins, bone morphogenetic proteins (BMPs), growth, and differentiation factors (GDFs), Nodals, Myostatins, MIS (Müllerian-inhibiting substance), and Lefty.
Members of the TGF-beta superfamily have emerged since the early evolution of the animal kingdom, and conserved members of the TGF-b pathway arepresent in all metazoans studied. The first members of theTGF-b superfamily to emerge were BMPs/GDFs, which subsequently differentiated into Activins/Inhibins, while the ‘true’ TGF-b subfamily emerged later and is only present in deuterostomes.