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NTR: melatonin secretion #25855

Closed aleixpuigb closed 1 year ago

aleixpuigb commented 1 year ago

Please provide as much information as you can:

raymond91125 commented 1 year ago

Is it intentional that autocrine/paracrine secretion of melatonin is excluded? If so, perhaps it is better to specify "endocrine melatonin secreation". Should there be a taxon restriction as well? PMID:31057485 Melatonin Synthesis and Function: Evolutionary History in Animals and Plants

raymond91125 commented 1 year ago

Is there an example of genes involved in melatonin secretion? I cannot seem to find a description of a pathway in the literature. There is plenty about synthesis but release (from pineal gland) is described as immediate.

raymond91125 commented 1 year ago

@aleixpuigb Could you comment? Thanks.

aleixpuigb commented 1 year ago

Apologies @raymond91125, I was away last week.

Is it intentional that autocrine/paracrine secretion of melatonin is excluded? If so, perhaps it is better to specify "endocrine melatonin secreation".

You are correct, while seratonin secretion is primarily endocrine, there can be also paracrine or autocrine secretion (doi:10.1073/pnas.2113852118). Therefore the parent term should be hormone secretion.

Should there be a taxon restriction as well?

I think there shouldn't be a taxon restriction, since it can be found in animals, plants, bacteria, etc.

Is there an example of genes involved in melatonin secretion? I cannot seem to find a description of a pathway in the literature. There is plenty about synthesis but release (from pineal gland) is described as immediate.

That is also what I have found. There are genes involved in their synthesis or degradation([PMID: 31841296](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK550972/#:~:text=Melatonin%20(N%2Dacetyl%2D5,for%20the%20transformation%20of%205%2D), PMID: 25369242), but literature describes immediate secretion into the bloodstream once available.

raymond91125 commented 1 year ago

@aleixpuigb Thanks for the reply. Yes. Melatonin is quite membrane permeable [PMID:26712850]. Thus its secretion per se may not be regulated. GO defines secretion as "The controlled release of a substance by a cell or a tissue". I think secretion that is not regulated is similar to a chemical reaction that naturally happens without the catalysis of any enzymes. In these cases, our guideline is that we do not create a GO term. What would be your use case for the term?

aleixpuigb commented 1 year ago

We are updating the pattern of endocrine cells in CL in this ticket with subClassOf capable_of some ('XX secretion' and ('has target end location' some 'circulatory system')), and I was requesting 'melatonin secretion' for pinealocyte. However, I agree that it doesn't fit with the secretion definition. Maybe melatonin release would be more appropriate, but in GO 'signal release' is under 'secretion by cell', so there is the same problem. Thank you for looking into it. Would you like me to close the ticket as not planned?

raymond91125 commented 1 year ago

I see. That's a tough one as in this case, it seems that it's the synthesis that matters, not secretion. I do also wonder about the steroid hormones that can freely diffuse through membranes but I have not been able to find a clear picture of how those 'secretion' pathways work. You may certainly close the ticket unless there is more we can do. Thanks!

aleixpuigb commented 1 year ago

Thank you @raymond91125!