Open rozaru opened 7 months ago
Missed the following parent term(s): mannose catabolic process GO:0019309
@rozaru
Just to make sure I understand:
Are you suggesting that the new term 'GDP-mannose biosynthetic process' is_a mannose catabolic process?
ie you'd consider mannose to mannose-6-phosphate a mannose catabolic process?
@pgaudet,
I should have mention that this comment is related to another ticket #27682 where I suggested to move "GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose" under "mannose catabolic process". If the new term "GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose" is created it would go at the same level as "GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose" is in the ontology.
This is the current ontology for mannose metabolic process:
mannose metabolic process |GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose |mannose biosynthetic process |mannose catabolic process | |glycolytic process from mannose through fructose-6-phosphate | |__mannose to fructose-6-phosphate catabolic process
This is my proposition:
mannose metabolic process |mannose biosynthetic process |mannose catabolic process | |glycolytic process from mannose through fructose-6-phosphate | |mannose to fructose-6-phosphate catabolic process | |GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose | |GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose (new term)
It is a bit difficult to decide what constitutes a catabolic or a biosynthetic process when the output and input belong to multiple pathways. For "GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose": From the point of view of GDP-mannose this term cover a biosynthetic process From the point of view of mannose this term cover its conversion into GDP-mannose which could been seen as a catabolic process.
@pgaudet I realised that the commend above: Missed the following parent term(s): mannose catabolic process GO:0019309 is a mistake, as the potential new term is not part of the mannose metabolic process. Sorry about this.
+[Term] +id: GO:0141199 +name: GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose +namespace: biological_process +def: "The chemical reactions and pathways resulting in the formation of GDP-mannose from glucose." [PMID:21273394, PMID:9287314] +xref: MetaCyc:PWY-5659 +intersection_of: GO:0009058 ! biosynthetic process +intersection_of: has_primary_input CHEBI:4167 ! D-glucopyranose +intersection_of: has_primary_output CHEBI:21168 ! GDP-mannose +relationship: starts_with GO:0004347 ! glucose-6-phosphate isomerase activity +property_value: term_tracker_item "https://github.com/geneontology/go-ontology/issues/27683" xsd:anyURI +created_by: pg +creation_date: 2024-04-26T08:43:27Z
Note that I have removed the activities from the LD of the siblings 'GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from fructose-6-phosphate' and 'GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose', since these were not strictly necessary to make the terms uniquely defined; only inputs are outputs are sufficient.
I moved the MFs to assertions.
@ukemi @cmungall please let me know if this is not right.
Thanks, Pascale
@pgaudet I just notice a small detail, but shouldn't +intersection_of: has_primary_output CHEBI:21168 ! GDP-mannose be +intersection_of: has_primary_output CHEBI:57527 GDP-α-D-mannose(2−) ?
Thanks @rozaru !
I fixed this, and for the parent & siblings.
@rozaru @ukemi @deustp01 @pgaudet
Following the NTR in this ticket, we end up with this:
GDP-mannose biosynthetic process (GO:0009298) [Reactome:R-HSA-446205]
|__GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from fructose-6-phosphate (GO:0061729)
|__GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose (GO:0141199) [MetaCyc:PWY-5659]
|__GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from mannose (GO:0061728)
Looking again now, I think the NTR actioned here (GO:0141199) should be merged with the pre-existing term 'GO:0061729 GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from fructose-6-phosphate.
Here's my reasoning:
That said, there are still a few issues:
Maybe we can talk about this in the weeds call tomorrow afternoon?
From pathways2go discussion today:
Decision: Merge the new term (GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose GO:0141199) into the pre-existing term (GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from fructose-6-phosphate GO:0061729), keeping the name and def of the pre-existing term. (That is, revert to what we had before, but add the MetaCyc:PWY-5659 xref to GO:0061729). @pgaudet Can you take care of that please?
Justification: Although papers describe the second GDP-Man synthesis as starting from glucose, the first two steps (catalysed by HK and PGI) are best seen as being part of glycolysis. The resulting F(6)P is at a branch point - it can either continue to be metabolised in glycolysis (via PFK) or can be diverted into GFP-Man synthesis (using PMI, aka MPI). Though not perfect, this is the best (simplest) way of modularising and representing the information within GO-BP terms and GO-CAMs. (And it also mirrors the way Reactome models the situation.)
Other consequences: The way we are thinking about this specific example will hopefully help us with subsequent NTRs, and for reviewing other existing metabolic BP GO terms that appear to overlap or are nested in some way.... (e.g. based on the above arguments, there's a case for obsoleting "GO:0061619 glycolytic process from mannose through fructose-6-phosphate" and just keeping the "GO:0061611 mannose to fructose-6-phosphate catabolic process" term in order to connect mannose to core glycolysis.) We will assess and review additional cases as we encounter them and aim to be consistent and establish guidelines!
Please provide as much information as you can:
Suggested term label: GDP-mannose biosynthetic process from glucose
ChEBI ID and label of the substance: Please ensure that the ChEBI ID corresponds to the physiological form (pH7.3) of the compound. In the ChEBI entry, pH7.3 compounds have a 'UniProt synonym', as in the example for mycophenolate has_primary_input CHEBI:4167 D-glucopyranose has_primary_output CHEBI:21168 GDP-mannose
Definition (free text) The chemical reactions and pathways resulting in the formation of GDP-mannose from glucose.
Reference, in format PMID:####### PMID: 21273394 PMID: 9287314
Gene product name and ID to be annotated to this term In fly: Hex-A Hex-C Pgi Mpi Pmm2 Gmppa Gmppb
Parent term(s) GDP-mannose biosynthetic process GO:0009298
Synonym(s) (please specify, EXACT, BROAD, NARROW or RELATED) Other than the standard synonyms below
Children terms (if applicable) Should any existing terms that should be moved underneath this new proposed term?
Cross-references MetaCyc PWY-5659 (start with glucose 6-phosphate)
Any other information Cells can make GDP-mannose from either mannose or glucose. Depending on the cells, glucose is the predominant source. Below is a schematic of the coverage of the new term compared to the already existing terms (the gene are from the fly).
Thank you
Rossana
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Logical definition
Standard synonyms