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Obsoletion request: hypoxanthine salvage GO:0043103 #28231

Open ValWood opened 2 months ago

ValWood commented 2 months ago

Please provide as much information as you can:

GO:0043103 hypoxanthine salvage

I'm not sure that we need this term. hypoxanthine appears to be an intermediate in IMP salvage. We noticed when modelling nucleotide metabolism, that this BP term was only used for 2 steps in the the IMP salvage pathway.

See http://noctua.geneontology.org/workbench/noctua-visual-pathway-editor/?barista_token=b9lbuk0h1mdk0h925a9l&model_id=gomodel:663d668500001911

GO-hypoxanthine

@pgaudet @deustp01 do you agree?

IMP salvage


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deustp01 commented 2 months ago

do you agree?

We don't subdivide the process of purine catabolism, seeing it as an interconnected single process, so the obsoletion looks fine to me, but also ask David @ukemi - he's the local expert.

ValWood commented 2 months ago

It seems to be used for Aah1/Dea2, Hpt1/HPRT1 which have hypoxanthine as input/output

ukemi commented 2 months ago

I suspect it is there because of clinical significance. eg. PMID:3818951

ValWood commented 1 month ago

Is that a reason to include it as a term? The activities will be there and the overall process.

We could add "hypoxanthine salvage" as a related synonym for "IMP salvage" and any other end points?

@pgaudet

ValWood commented 1 month ago

@pgaudet do you agree with this change?

pgaudet commented 1 month ago

I dont know, you write that it's an unnecessary grouping term, but I dont see any children.

ValWood commented 1 month ago

I mean it's an unecessary intermediate, I don't know what we call that. It's an intermediate in IMP salvage (and possibly othernucleotide salvage pathways)

pgaudet commented 1 month ago

Is it? Here it seems to be an 'input' : 2023 review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028390822004294

pgaudet commented 1 month ago

Granted, it's quite underannotated. What we need to think about how to clearly define this pathway with a start and end. In this case hypoxanthine may be the start of some purine salvage pathway.

ValWood commented 1 month ago

The pathway begins with adenine It is an input.

So, we have dea2 an adenine deaminase annotated to IMP salvage and hypoxanthine salvage

Then the next step hpt1 hypoxanthine phosphoribosyltransferase activity creates IMP from hypoxanthine

the hypoxanthine salvage seems unnecessary if it isn't an endpoint.

ValWood commented 1 month ago

There may be other starting points but hypoxanthine isn't the end point?

deustp01 commented 1 month ago

this case hypoxanthine may be the start of some purine salvage pathway.

For what it's worth, here is our view of the purine salvage and catabolism processes in humans. We treat hypoxanthine as one of the start points for catabolism and it is one of the molecules generated by salvage so it could be an end point there.

ValWood commented 1 month ago

I'm happy to close this one.

A couple of weeks ago, instead of opening tickets, I began a list of process terms that seemed superfluous to the GO-CAM models (i.e. because they seemed like an intermediate step rather than a start point or end point) When I began opening tickets I didn't think there would be so many.

It will probably be better to review these at the end in case we missed something or if there are organism-specific differences.

I will continue to open tickets if there is a clear-cut case, but this one seems more cpmplicated

@deustp01 I tried to look at https://reactome.org/PathwayBrowser/#/R-HSA-74217 but I could not get it to load. Is that just me?

deustp01 commented 1 month ago

I could not get it to load.

It worked for me when I was composing the message, and also just now. We have been having intermittent loading problems, though, so try again and if the problem persists send a message to help@reactome.org. Thanks