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Gluconeogenesis (R-HSA-70263) #186

Closed ukemi closed 1 year ago

ukemi commented 2 years ago
deustp01 commented 2 years ago
  • Is the direction of R-HSA-372449 physiologically correct. Most of the references I am looking at say it exports citrate from the mitochondrion.

I need to review the gluconeogenesis pathway. The role of this reaction is to export mitochondrial PEP. On the one hand, this reaction as part of a variant source of carbon skeletons for gluconeogenesis was reviewed and accepted by R.A. Harris who is (was?) an authority. On the other, the standard pathway has oxaloacetate as the entity exported from the mitochondrial matrix to the cytosol, which is then converted to PEP in the cytosol. So is PEP export a bogus alternative source of carbons for gluconeogenesis? In that case the direction of citrate transport is irrelevant because there's no role for it here. Or not? Here is a paragraph from Wikipedia

In all species, the formation of oxaloacetate from pyruvate and TCA cycle intermediates is restricted to the mitochondrion, and the enzymes that convert Phosphoenolpyruvic acid (PEP) to glucose-6-phosphate are found in the cytosol.[27] The location of the enzyme that links these two parts of gluconeogenesis by converting oxaloacetate to PEP – PEP carboxykinase (PEPCK) – is variable by species: it can be found entirely within the mitochondria, entirely within the cytosol, or dispersed evenly between the two, as it is in humans.[27] Transport of PEP across the mitochondrial membrane is accomplished by dedicated transport proteins; however no such proteins exist for oxaloacetate.[27] Therefore, in species that lack intra-mitochondrial PEPCK, oxaloacetate must be converted into malate or aspartate, exported from the mitochondrion, and converted back into oxaloacetate in order to allow gluconeogenesis to continue.[27]

The "variable by species" bit may be critical here - it may be part of the differences in pathway organization among birds, rodents, and primates to support different needs for glucose. That in turn suggests that, at least for some species / some physiological states we may need to figure out how PEP gets exported from the mitochondrial matrix. More weeds!

deustp01 commented 2 years ago
  • Should we tidy up the arrows in the Reactome pathway diagram for R-HSA-372448?

Played some with the diagram and couldn't find a way to reduce the number of crossing reaction edges.

ukemi commented 2 years ago

Let's talk about the PEP transport on a weeds call. Isn't citrate transport a requirement as the function is an antiporter? Early experiments show that you can get PEP out of isolated mitochondria by adding citrate to the media.

deustp01 commented 2 years ago

Let's talk about the PEP transport on a weeds call. Isn't citrate transport a requirement as the function is an antiporter? Early experiments show that you can get PEP out of isolated mitochondria by adding citrate to the media.

That could well be true, and then the Reactome reaction is backwards and we need some other mechanism for PEP export from mitochondria to cytosol, unless we can evade the need for PEP export. That's the weeds agenda item.

deustp01 commented 1 year ago

Revisions of Reactome "Gluconeogenesis" to correct errors, align with Rhea, and (partly) sort out fate of mitochondrial PEP are finished. Note are here (David_and_Peter_notes > Gluconeogenesis 2022 > gluconeogenesis_notes and the pathway details exported from the Reactome web site as a document are in the same folder as gluconeogenesis_DB_ID_70263. @ukemi could you review the pathway document and, as time permits, use it to create mouse reactions?

Once the revisions are reviewed / approved, we can close the ticket.

ukemi commented 1 year ago

I'll go through these one by one and compare them to the mouse models I made. I know we talked about it, but I can't remember what we decide I should do about hypothetical reactions like "SLC25A1 may exchange mitochondrial PEP for cytosolic anion ". I think we decided I would go ahead and model this one. Apologies for my forgetfulness.

deustp01 commented 1 year ago

I'd say, model it for now. Despite the lack of evidence the reaction appears to be quite popular among experts.

ukemi commented 1 year ago

Notes: NB. I don't have ll the reactants in the mouse models yet.

deustp01 commented 1 year ago

@ukemi OK to close? We'll surely come back to aspects of this as part of insulin signaling / integration of energy metabolism, but all the chore specific to gluconeogenesis look finished.