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Rendering of municipality names without place=village/town #64

Open ppete2 opened 2 years ago

ppete2 commented 2 years ago

Please have a look at a post in the German OSM-forum.

The thread is about municipalities not being rendered on maps because they are lacking a village/town- place tag of the same name. In the mentioned post somebody found out that - opposite to opentreetmap.org - on openstreetmap.de some of these municipalities get rendered in certain zoom levels.

E.g. "Rodgau" at zoom 12 and less. But on the other hand "Erftstadt" is not rendered, although at first sight both municipalitiy-relations are tagged identical with 2 extra nodes, one being their "admin_centre", one their "label".

What are the parameters of this kind of municipalities to be rendered on the osm.de map?

giggls commented 2 years ago

This is not something where carto-de differs from osm-carto at all.

This said, https://openstreetmap.de/karte/ does not currently run a recent version of osm carto.

While we now again have a recent version of carto-de I do not scale very well.

The stuff I am describing here have been resolved but new Tileservers will still need to get rolled out: https://blog.geggus.net/2020/09/why-development-of-german-osm-carto-style-is-currently-stuck/

I will not close this issue now for the sole reason that somebody might be willing to help. This has been a one man show for way to long now and I am starting to loose interest.

ppete2 commented 2 years ago

That's interesting because in latest osm-carto (and also at least during the last years) places like "Rodgau" or "Kirchberg-Thening" - municipalities without a village/town- place tag of the same name definately don't got rendered.

So do you have an idea why both get rendered in carto-de on osm.de only altough "This is not something where carto-de differs from osm-carto at all"?

nrenner commented 2 years ago

The two .de servers differ, /dirty doesn't help: https://humboldt.openstreetmap.de/#map=15/50.0182/8.8867/2 https://gauss.openstreetmap.de/#map=15/50.0182/8.8867/2

The Rodgau‬ node (‪39808072‬) has been tagged as place=town before v12.

So maybe humboldt doesn't get updates and has months old data?

ppete2 commented 2 years ago

That could be possible. In the case of Kirchberg-Thening https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/240087572 the node has been named "Kirchberg-Thening" between 2019-07-11 and 2020-10-12 and since just "Kirchberg". So maybe for lower zooms <=12 the .de servers are using very old data from 2019 or 2020 ?

nrenner commented 2 years ago

Low zooms (0-12) are not updated at all, see Updateinterval bei openstreetmap.de?, but that's a different issue.