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Split Mosetén-Chimane into different varieties #1024

Closed FredericBlum closed 11 months ago

FredericBlum commented 11 months ago

Current glottocode: mose1249

According to Sakel (2009, Mosetén & Chimane (Tsimane')), Mosetén and Chimane should be considered separate entities. Linguistically, there are three different varieties: Mosetén of Covendo, Mosetén of Santa Ana, Chimane. The Santa Ana variety is mutually comprehensible with both of the other two, which is not the case for Mosetén (Covendo) and Chimane. Ethnologically, however, the Mosetén identify as a single people. As I am not sure what kind of evidence is preferred, I think these would be two options:

a) Add three dialectal glottocodes for each variety, to correctly refer to the individual varieties. b) Split Mosetén and Chimane to two languages, according to the ethnological identification.

Covendo: -15.7901, -66.9754 Santa Ana: -15.4961, -67.2162 Chimane: -15.214, -66.6431

d97hah commented 11 months ago

The claim of non-intelligibility is somehow contradicted by Sakel 2009 and the Chimane missionaries. I've also asked for clarification from other linguists working in Bolivia. But will add the dialectal glottocodes (option a) for next version. all the best, H

Pada tanggal Sab, 30 Sep 2023 pukul 22.18 Frederic Blum < @.***> menulis:

Current glottocode: mose1249

According to Sakel (2009, Mosetén & Chimane (Tsimane')), Mosetén and Chimane should be considered separate entities. Linguistically, there are three different varieties: Mosetén of Covendo, Mosetén of Santa Ana, Chimane. The Santa Ana variety is mutually comprehensible with both of the other two, which is not the case for Mosetén (Covendo) and Chimane. Ethnologically, however, the Mosetén identify as a single people. As I am not sure what kind of evidence is preferred, I think these would be two options:

a) Add three dialectal glottocodes for each variety, to correctly refer to the individual varieties. b) Split Mosetén and Chimane to two languages, according to the ethnological identification.

Covendo: -15.7901, -66.9754 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-15.7901/-66.9754 Santa Ana: -15.4961, -67.2162 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-15.4961/-67.2162 Chimane: -15.214, -66.6431 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/-15.214/-66.6431

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FredericBlum commented 11 months ago

Thanks! Totally fine with the dialectal glottocodes, as I have no primary information about the intelligibility.

xrotwang commented 11 months ago

Partly addressed in https://github.com/glottolog/glottolog/commit/81e346a37d4634be8c713ea4426adc68f03d6d70 @d97hah Do we want to include the geocoords given by @Tarotis above, too?

d97hah commented 11 months ago

Yes, since we don't have dialect coordinates systematically I didn't bother putting them in, but can do, or if you beat me to it, feel free to do so! H

Pada tanggal Jum, 6 Okt 2023 pukul 15.27 Robert Forkel < @.***> menulis:

Partly addressed in 81e346a https://github.com/glottolog/glottolog/commit/81e346a37d4634be8c713ea4426adc68f03d6d70 @d97hah https://github.com/d97hah Do we want to include the geocoords given by @Tarotis https://github.com/Tarotis above, too?

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