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gluon / AbletonLive9_RemoteScripts

Unofficial repository for Ableton Live 9 MIDI Remote Scripts by Julien Bayle
http://julienbayle.net/ableton-live-9-midi-remote-scripts/
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Using Push outside of Live #28

Open PierBover opened 8 years ago

PierBover commented 8 years ago

Hi

This is not really an issue, but I don't know where else to ask...

I'm considering using the python files for Push without Live, for the purpose of using Push with other applications like Traktor. I could use Push as a simple midi controller, but it would be awesome if we could send data back to Push and display info in the screens from Traktor, or any other software.

I haven't tried anything yet, but the python scripts import all sorts of libraries like ableton.v2....

Do you know if those python libraries are available?

Do you think if we had access to those Ableton libraries we could for example build a python app or service to bridge between say Traktor and Push directly?

Thanks in advance

dataf1ow commented 8 years ago

The python files that work to integrate hardware controllers like the Push with Live use the Live API, which is NOT available for other programs to use. The libraries that scripts import are part of the Live distribution, and are not openly available. You'll have to build it from scratch unfortunately, if you want to have some sort of scriptable MIDI interpreter/translator.

If you're using traktor, you can send info back, but I doubt that you'll be able to address the screen, I don't think traktor allows for sysex messages being sent out.

PierBover commented 8 years ago

Thanks for your answer. It's a shame Ableton isn't releasing any SDK for using Push outside of Live.

I'm not sure about sysex, but Traktor does send a ton of data out. Anyway I was only using Traktor as an example. The applications for using Push with custom software are endless in say museums, science labs, robotics, etc. It's an amazing input device with many possibilities outside of music production.

dataf1ow commented 8 years ago

Yeah, an SDK would be nice, but as we've heard for years, they just don't have the resources/desire to document and support it. It would be a lot of work.

At least they don't prevent users from tinkering with the API though.

gluon commented 8 years ago

Push got a user mode, afaik.

Julien

Thanks for your answer. It's a shame Ableton isn't releasing any SDK for using Push outside of Live.

I'm not sure about sysex, but Traktor does send a ton of data out. Anyway I was only using Traktor as an example. The applications for using Push with custom software are endless in say museums, science labs, robotics, etc. It's an amazing input device with many possibilities outside of music production.

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gluon commented 8 years ago

Are you kidding? They are so numerous. And they maintain that for companies making remote surfaces.

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Yeah, an SDK would be nice, but as we've heard for years, they just don't have the resources/desire to document and support it. It would be a lot of work.

At least they don't prevent users from tinkering with the API though.

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alandrees commented 8 years ago

you could probably very easily reverse engineer the push-side of the scripting into something that's more portable

dataf1ow commented 8 years ago

Whos kidding who? I didn't mean there aren't resources, but they aren't 'official'm and they aren't released, documented, or supported publicly by Ableton...

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you could probably very easily reverse engineer the push-side of the scripting into something that's more portable

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alandrees commented 8 years ago

As far as I remember when I was talking to an Ableton rep about it (this was years ago, maybe it's changed by now), but all the remote scripts are actually written by Ableton controller script devs. The controller companies give them specs and the script developers actually write and maintain all of them. The conversation I had was specifically in relation to the Novation Launchpad.

gluon commented 8 years ago

"they just don't have the resources", I answering to that. anyway, we cannot change them, but we can do so much things with what they left in these folders, already.

dataf1ow commented 8 years ago

I agree! I shouldn't have said 'they don't have the resources' - It should've been 'they don't want to use the resources'.

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"they just don't have the resources", I answering to that. anyway, we cannot change them, but we can do so much things with what they left in these folders, already.

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CIPop commented 8 years ago

For future reference: Ableton released the Push2 docs here: https://github.com/Ableton/push-interface