Save editor UI busted severely. Desperately needs overhaul.

[Slelsul]

The SE UI is broken. It has been this way for months. I was hoping an update would fix it but this is beyond severe. It happens with all 3 versions available. The issue is immediate and persistent. Reinstalling does nothing. I have Java. Your save editor was busted the last time I used it years ago as well. You can't or won't fix it so overhaul it entirely because your app is shit and hardly usable. I can not be patient with it anymore so here is the screenshots.

It is impossible to see anything when the UI duplicates and overlays itself inside the window. The entirety of the app is broken with other issues as well but the UI breakage is catastrophic for usability. It genuinely makes even attempting to use the app actually physically impossible. Can't click on what is not there.

It was already happening months ago when I installed it and the idea is frustrating that this may have been an issue for a while.

I find it difficult to believe I am the only human on the planet with this issue having said something. The issue is so significant that there should have genuinely been people raging on the doorstep of your email for months.

[Slelsul]

Also app refuses to update my save properly. It is picking and choosing what it saves this update. The update actually broke it more somehow. I have no idea but I was able to edit the save a bit more than a week or two ago. Now it just won't apply the edit to the save even after a proper save/load. The in game save updates the time but not the edit.

For now my only choice may be Cheat Engine or something. I hope you can fix these things. Your app is legit effectively is as good as obsolete and is more issue than help.

[Slelsul]

It is official. Your app can't be used. I am so close to chucking my only laptop against a wall from the rage of how impossible your app it to use. It is so broken I do not even want you to fix it anymore. Just take it down and never write again please. I can feel the blood in my head now. Christ this app is severe. I remember now why I stopped using it. It broke my creative save years ago when I was mucking about with my freighter. It just stays broke. I am sorry but this made me very upset.

It is sever when it is genuinely faster and better to just play the save normally than to fill it in with the editor. That is so boring. That is also why I dropped the game to start with it seems. Game play loop is a little slow sometimes and the only app that does it all is not even functional anymore. I complain a lot when something upsets me.

[jimmgc]

Slelsul, understand you are frustrated but the problem is not the app. I'm running the latest (and past versions) on my 2 laptops (Windows 10 and Windows 11) and have NO ISSUES running the app. I can edit my saves with no issues and all changes I perform are applied without problems. Please check if you have the latest updates installed on your computer including the latest Java version. Then if problem persist... check your computer graphic drivers.

You need to calm down and not come here ranting (and disrespecting the developer) just because you have an issue. The developer has always been diligent and hears suggestions from users (been using the app almost 5 years now) and always deliver.

General comment: Yes, sometimes you see users writing and asking for stuff like they deserve it or if they are paying for it but... that's the world we're living now. The app is free and nobody here is forced to use it. You want to use the app... you're responsible for the mess you do on your save. And don't write stuff here like the problem is the app asking the developer to solve your mess. If you don't keep a backup then it's on YOU.

If people here think this app is useless... write your own app if you think you can do better...

Goatfungus, I apologize for this user's comments... keep doing a great job! And I salute you for your patience in dealing with users like this.

[boldfish]

Works perfectly well for me on a Mac too (using the .jar version, which I am so grateful for!)

Just not with Steam Experimental at the moment, but I'm patient and know it will be fixed when it can.

[kobs57]

Slelsul, understand you are frustrated but the problem is not the app. I'm running the latest (and past versions) on my 2 laptops (Windows 10 and Windows 11) and have NO ISSUES running the app. I can edit my saves with no issues and all changes I perform are applied without problems. Please check if you have the latest updates installed on your computer including the latest Java version. Then if problem persist... check your computer graphic drivers.

It has nothing to do with graphics drivers, I reloaded Java, reloaded the app with the latest version and nothing comes out of the program. I open it like I did hundreds of time and none of my saves get in the save editor it stays blank. I'm using 1.16.0 ADRIFT version. and it seems I'm not the only one with this problem. Glad that you have no problems with it but some of us do and shouldn't and it is frustrating.

[Slelsul]

Works perfectly well for me on a Mac too (using the .jar version, which I am so grateful for!)

Just not with Steam Experimental at the moment, but I'm patient and know it will be fixed when it can.

So this is an issue with Windows version not Mac. I did mention that this was Windows.

Also Mac user you need to just go. You genuinely are not welcome near me you absolute moron for gaming on Apple. All you need is to have ITunes update once and your system is fried. Too bad it took until now to let you even use the computer without an ITunes account. Go rub your $1500 brick you call a phone that is only copying old Android tech 10 years later.

You never did read that I said Windows and if you did you were crazy enough to ignore it. Apple is not welcome near me. It is a scam.

Apple gamers are free targets on the internet. Has not a single person mentioned that to you? You are an abomination to gaming. I can only guess at which lemon of a Mac you have. Is it the one they had fix a soldering issue by adding a foam sticker instead of fixing the solder joints? That was actually a MacBook they refuse to fix in subsequent versions until they could not handle the bad press for intentionally ignoring it costing user hundreds and thousand for repairs and replacements. Apple is pathetic and its users idiotic for paying for that actually outdated trash.

[Slelsul]

Slelsul, understand you are frustrated but the problem is not the app. I'm running the latest (and past versions) on my 2 laptops (Windows 10 and Windows 11) and have NO ISSUES running the app. I can edit my saves with no issues and all changes I perform are applied without problems. Please check if you have the latest updates installed on your computer including the latest Java version. Then if problem persist... check your computer graphic drivers.

You need to calm down and not come here ranting (and disrespecting the developer) just because you have an issue. The developer has always been diligent and hears suggestions from users (been using the app almost 5 years now) and always deliver.

General comment: Yes, sometimes you see users writing and asking for stuff like they deserve it or if they are paying for it but... that's the world we're living now. The app is free and nobody here is forced to use it. You want to use the app... you're responsible for the mess you do on your save. And don't write stuff here like the problem is the app asking the developer to solve your mess. If you don't keep a backup then it's on YOU.

If people here think this app is useless... write your own app if you think you can do better...

Goatfungus, I apologize for this user's comments... keep doing a great job! And I salute you for your patience in dealing with users like this.

Look if Goat had the raw code available then you could rightly tell me to fix it myself.. That is not the case. And I don't care about deserving anything. I just want to live in a world where people makes stuff that works. Everywhere a human is there is something human made that is broken. This app has never been 100% so my point is if this person can't are won't have a working app then they need to stop and do not bother. It does more harm than good and that is enough to stop.

Past that if I could trust and be guaranteed that the app would work well and be properly dealt with then I would have zero issue dropping a $100 or more but I am dirt poor and this app is not even close to functional like the first time I tried it YEARS ago.

Legit I waited forever before trying to use this app again and it still is broken. also as proof here is a little screenshot of my bank balance. I only deal in real world facts so I could not care less about how out of line you think I am. I am tired of everything human made just never working as advertised. I would never drop money on a failure like this. Make it work and you have my word the first time I have funds I will drop some cash here but until then I won't touch this until overhaul.

[Slelsul]

Slelsul, understand you are frustrated but the problem is not the app. I'm running the latest (and past versions) on my 2 laptops (Windows 10 and Windows 11) and have NO ISSUES running the app. I can edit my saves with no issues and all changes I perform are applied without problems. Please check if you have the latest updates installed on your computer including the latest Java version. Then if problem persist... check your computer graphic drivers.

It has nothing to do with graphics drivers, I reloaded Java, reloaded the app with the latest version and nothing comes out of the program. I open it like I did hundreds of time and none of my saves get in the save editor it stays blank. I'm using 1.16.0 ADRIFT version. and it seems I'm not the only one with this problem. Glad that you have no problems with it but some of us do and shouldn't and it is frustrating.

As I have stated before.. Everything is up to date. I even reinstalled Java fresh. My Graphics always stay up to date. Beside this problem existed before the update and only got worse after. The update destroyed the tiny bit of functionality it had left. It needs overhauled. PERIOD.

[Slelsul]

DOES ANYONE ELSE NEED TO TELL ME HOW MUCH OF AN ASS I AM OR CAN WE JUST GET TO THE POINT YET?

Oh one more thing. I have tried the app with Steam and Stand alone. I got a pirated copy on my bench for testing and it is not working there either. Sorry but if it is working for you then you are beyond lucky.

A note for this. I want absolutely no comment on the pirated copy. I bought the game fair from Steam and the Pirated copy is only there on a separate bench for testing giving the history of fucking my saves that this app has. It is only smart to have a separate copy on a bench to test modding and what not. I better not get any flack for being smarter than the average of humanity.

Note that I only said smarter than the average. I did not claim to be genius so screw off with that angle as well.

[Addictorator]

Works perfectly fine for me on Windows 11 with a regular non-pirated steam version of the game, as many others have reported before me, so it seems like a personal issue or on the device end. I've encountered issues in the past, yes, I've had some saves break on me (which is why I appreciate the auto backup feature to allow you to rollback changes), but UI looks fine. The developer goatfungus is doing this for free, has made no claims it is a perfect app, and it is constantly being developed to keep up with the game versioning at the time. You're coming off incredibly ungrateful, and well as someone that spent hours on the game, it can be frustrating when something unexpected happens, but you seem to be pointing all this misplaced anger towards a developer who is just trying to offer a free, working product. Your criticism isn't constructive, the issue isn't replicable, so what really is there for anyone to do? If you want someone to look at the specific issue your device is having that is making the app glitch out, well, you're certainly not earning any favors with your attitude.

Go try the other save editors out there like Nomnom's. I've used both and they're both great in their own way for their own use cases. Maybe you'll have better luck with that.

[Zarquon7]

DOES ANYONE ELSE NEED TO TELL ME HOW MUCH OF AN ASS I AM OR CAN WE JUST GET TO THE POINT YET?

Nope, no need, you've made that abundantly clear on your own...

[christopherbauer]

Do not help this jackass...

[kobs57]

The whole problem is if you're in experimental, I went back to public version and there was only one save that didn't load and it's probably because that save was made in that version (experimental) I'm guessing as soon as the experimental branch goes public that save will load as usual

and this Originally posted by HG Exp notes: Experimental Branch 11/06

Refactored the internal save architecture and layout to support future improvements.

[Slelsul]

DOES ANYONE ELSE NEED TO TELL ME HOW MUCH OF AN ASS I AM OR CAN WE JUST GET TO THE POINT YET?

Nope, no need, you've made that abundantly clear on your own...

Do not help this jackass...

If you people not going to say anything of value then shut the fuck up.

[Slelsul]

The whole problem is if you're in experimental, I went back to public version and there was only one save that didn't load and it's probably because that save was made in that version (experimental) I'm guessing as soon as the experimental branch goes public that save will load as usual

and this Originally posted by HG Exp notes: Experimental Branch 11/06

Refactored the internal save architecture and layout to support future improvements.

I am not or should not be using experimental anything. There is no experimental version of No Man's sky on Steam that I see. Regardless it is not the game that is doing this. It is the old beyond outdated save editor that is just barely keeping up. It is so torn apart that the UI can not even figure out where it is or should be.

[Slelsul]

I won't apologize. I am tired of watching the world fall apart cause you people don't actually care. If you did then maybe I would not be the only angry person genuinely wishing and hoping this app was better than it is. But as I said the ONLY reason anyone on the planet chooses Goats save editor over Cheat Engine is the supposed convenience and a functioning UI. If you can not deliver that then your app is useless and has no reason to exist. I am saying what should have been said ages ago. Goat your code was shit from the start and you know it. Start over and do it better this time. You first mistake was Java. Get rid of that you are not building a webpage to run videos on Chrome or whatever.

I do not know how to code but anyone with a brain can tell you Java has never been stable ever. Every freaking app that uses Java has stability issues. Almost every single one is prone to blue-screening Windows if your PC can't simply power through the load of it trying to make sense.

[Slelsul]

You people know I am right. You just don't like my delivery. IF I am so wrong then Goat can tell me but they should prove it. Not just say. As for the rest of you.. As far as I can tell Goat never asked the groupies to chime in. So don't chime in.

The app either lives up to what it was supposed to be or it finally dies as the failure it has been. That is simply it. If I did not care I would not be so fucking pissed at how much of a failure it is.

[Slelsul]

One thing for those that will tell me to do it myself as you brainless toads do.... No... I will not... Why in the hell would I torture myself to learn Java? I want to keep my remaining sanity. If I had to lose that remaining sanity it would be for something better than a usually always unstable and generally failed code.. Also if Goat can't or wont do better then there is always Cheat Engine. As I said Goat's save editor is only a choice because it is supposed to be convenient and use a UI. I can likely do every single thing Cheat Engine and not have to worry about it ruining the game in new ways every day.

[phendrena]

Your level of entitlement is of galactic proportions. As is your utter disrespect.

If the UI or the editor was a badly broken as you claim it to be, then why, why are there not thousands of other people on here complaining? Personally I've never had any problems with the editor.

You claim that everything is up-to-date, but is it? Might be worth checking. How about desktop scaling? Have you checked that? What is it set to? Have you tried any other java or dotnet apps?

[Duncan-Disorderly]

@Slelsul

Before you began unfairly complaining, did it ever cross your mind to read other threads in this forum? In particular, the thread entitled:

"Save Editor not working with current Steam Experimental Update"

This means if you are using the experimental version of NMS, Save Editor will not work. HOWEVER, if you change your game in properties to opt out of Beta, the non-experimental game will download in Steam. If you had your game saved for the latest expedition, you won't be able to load it now. Instead, you must make a new expedition, save the new expedition and exit. Now, if you open the Save Editor, it should work and you can edit to your heart's delight.

Ultimately, the fault lies with Hello Games, NOT the Save Editor. With all due respect, you should think before you talk.

Peace.

[phendrena]

Look, I honestly don't believe that @Slelsul is using the experimental version. When I try and load any save now - as I'm using experimental - the save editor doesn't even recognise I have a valid save, as you can see from the screenshot.

I believe the issue with the UI is genuine but the manner in which Slelsul has requested help is, frankly, very offensive. Instead of whining like a petulant child which has caused all of us to (rightly) be massively outraged, Slelsul should apologise for the vitriolic outbursts and actually request help in a more calm and friendly manner.

People have given you suggestions, we want to help you, but you are not making that task easy Slelsul!

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[Slelsul]

Look, I honestly don't believe that @Slelsul is using the experimental version. When I try and load any save now - as I'm using experimental - the save editor doesn't even recognise I have a valid save, as you can see from the screenshot.

I believe the issue with the UI is genuine but the manner in which Slelsul has requested help is, frankly, very offensive. Instead of whining like a petulant child which has caused all of us to (rightly) be massively outraged, Slelsul should apologise for the vitriolic outbursts and actually request help in a more calm and friendly manner.

People have given you suggestions, we want to help you, but you are not making that task easy Slelsul!

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I already stated that I know how much of an ass that I am but I also stated that Goat is a fool for using code that does not work. The save editor likely has never seen a stable day ever and I am just simply fed up with see this freaking app be shit. If my anger is not to anyone's liking then be better. I get to sit and watch powerlessly as every part of humanity that could be great is reduced to this. Nothing works anymore. Everything in this freaking world is broken. At the very fucking least Goat can do better and drop the unstable build and start with what fucking works and that is not Java.

Not a single person here calls me out on my statement that Java is an extremely unstable code because each and everyone of you knows for FACT that Java used to and sometimes still can blue screen Windows and even destroy the entire system leaving you without a functioning OS.

[Slelsul]

So what if it works on Apple. It does not work on the primary OS of Windows. I hate that I just said that. Linux needs to be the primary OS of the world FR. Also those screen shots I added are not edited. That is the save editor destroying its own UI. So yeah you people keep say you do not believe me but there is your proof.

[Slelsul]

Your level of entitlement is of galactic proportions. As is your utter disrespect.

If the UI or the editor was a badly broken as you claim it to be, then why, why are there not thousands of other people on here complaining? Personally I've never had any problems with the editor.

You claim that everything is up-to-date, but is it? Might be worth checking. How about desktop scaling? Have you checked that? What is it set to? Have you tried any other java or dotnet apps?

Sure you are right to question that but to let you in on a tid bit... I am up to date. I have no choice. I made the mistake and got an Alienware and it does not function well at all unless I keep it at the very edge of up to date.

I am stuck constantly pruning drivers and updating everything or this machine breakdown. So yeah I have it up to date. It is so up to date it could be a religion.

[Slelsul]

@Slelsul

Before you began unfairly complaining, did it ever cross your mind to read other threads in this forum? In particular, the thread entitled:

"Save Editor not working with current Steam Experimental Update"

This means if you are using the experimental version of NMS, Save Editor will not work. HOWEVER, if you change your game in properties to opt out of Beta, the non-experimental game will download in Steam. If you had your game saved for the latest expedition, you won't be able to load it now. Instead, you must make a new expedition, save the new expedition and exit. Now, if you open the Save Editor, it should work and you can edit to your heart's delight.

Ultimately, the fault lies with Hello Games, NOT the Save Editor. With all due respect, you should think before you talk.

Peace.

The save editor was busted already. The UI was junk WAY WAY before the Abyss update and this resent SE update. The recent SE update made the issue worse by a lot. That is the reason for my lack of chill. If I made an app that only broke more after each update I would expect you to be fucking pissed at me. Stop coddling bad code.

[Slelsul]

Great to see all of you unite against a ass like me but you get ahead of yourselves. You keep on insisting on coddling the bad code. Here is another tid bit. This app is busted on more than one computer so guess I am not crazy after all.

I completely uninstalled NMS and removed everything connected to it and the Save editor. I reinstalled again. The save editor still has a dancing UI.

[Slelsul]

My approach is shit and unfiltered but I am not fucking wrong no matter how out off line you want to say I am. You can not keep defending broken code. I want it to work. That is it. I am sick of nothing working.

[Slelsul]

I am out of line but I have a fucking point.

[wkitty42]

if it is really that important to you, where are all of your previous defect reports and pictures... i mean why wait until now when you have apparently several years of bottled anger over it? i have never seen a report of UI problems like those you describe... surely you came here and created a/some ticket(s) about the problems, yes??

FWIW: i don't use the installer at all... i use the jar file straight up with the OpenJDK Runtime (v11.0.23 as of this post)... the only UI-related thing that is "broken" for me is the app window doesn't return to the size i had set it to the last time...

[Duncan-Disorderly]

The save editor was busted already. The UI was junk WAY WAY before the Abyss update and this resent SE update. The recent SE update made the issue worse by a lot. That is the reason for my lack of chill. If I made an app that only broke more after each update I would expect you to be fucking pissed at me. Stop coddling bad code.

Funny. Until the recent problem I had because I used the experimental version, SE has never been a problem for me. Granted, when NMS has updates, we have to wait a bit for SE to catch up, which is understandable. It's even more understandable when you consider SE is openly available FOR FREE. In essence, you are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

If you made an app that broke all the time and gave it away for free, I wouldn't be pissed at you. Instead, I would simply stop using the app, more so since it's proved unreliable. I certainly wouldn't act entitled and disrespectful towards you. There's a huge difference between brutal honesty and an insult, but only a fine line separates them. In my opinion, once you insert petty insults, your point is deflected and becomes mute, no matter how valid it is. Personally speaking, I value my words too much to use them frivolously.

Judging by the amount of threads on this forum, it appears most people don't have problems with SE. As is often the case, when a small percentage of people have issues with software, ultimately it's the user's hardware that's the true problem. I'm not saying it's the case here, but it is something to consider.

Peace.