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SIL fonts onboarding (Summary) #4354

Closed RosaWagner closed 10 months ago

RosaWagner commented 2 years ago

See if we onbaorded all these fonts, and create issues for the missing ones (and then link issue here)

Most important:

Next priority:

To not onbaord cf https://github.com/google/fonts/issues/4354#issuecomment-1079066885

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Many of these fonts probably shouldn't be on Google Fonts as they are old and no longer maintained, have been replaced by other fonts, or are still pre-release. Our suggestion would be that you consider adding these with the following priority:

Most important:

Next priority:

All the others are either old or pre-release, so they can be ignored.

emmamarichal commented 2 years ago

Hello! Thank you for the clarification, I saw that for some fonts like the Andika, the last activity on the repo was about 10 days ago. Is the font ready? Can we start working on it? Thanks!

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

For all fonts please use the releases. All the ones I mentioned are currently ready, although some have further releases planned in upcoming months. Thanks!

RosaWagner commented 2 years ago

thanks @jvgaultney, do you mean Harmattan and Scheherazade New have been upgraded since we onboarded them?

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Harmattan has not - sorry about that. Sch New is now at v3.300.

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

BTW - You don't need to consider "Alkalami Light" or the variants of "Shimenkan" - only the main font family. Same for "Ezra SIL SR".

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Ignore "Tai Heritage" - only have "Tai Heritage Pro"

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Sorry - another change - please do include Nuosu SIL.

thlinard commented 2 years ago

Sorry - another change - please do include Nuosu SIL.

And not Awami Nastaliq, Dai Banna, Doulos SIL and Namdhinggo?

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Not at the moment. Details:

Awami Nastaliq - requires Graphite technology and doesn't support OpenType so can only work with Firefox Dai Banna SIL - due to be restructured as an axis-based family soon so we'd not want people to use the current ones as web fonts Doulos SIL - we support this for legacy reasons but have no intention of promoting it as a good web font Namdhinggo - v3 in final testing now as a restructured axis-based family so expect a request from us in a few weeks but not now

thlinard commented 2 years ago

Thank you for the details, specially for Doulos, I wasn't very sure.

RosaWagner commented 2 years ago
chrissimpkins commented 2 years ago

I left comments on each of the open issue threads. Let's understand where things are with development on any issues that blocked onboarding over the last several months so that we can schedule these projects.

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

I have updated the separate issues for the remaining four fonts on the list (Shimenkan, Akatab, Annapurna, Narnoor) all of which are pending releases from us over the next few months. Longer-term there are more fonts to be onboarded, some that have been discussed, others that are new. Some of them are waiting for the SIL-Google RFN agreement to be amended to include them, which we hope to do in the next few weeks. We'll create new onboarding issues for those fonts when they are ready and after the RFN agreement has been updated.

chrissimpkins commented 2 years ago

Thank you very much for all of this information Victor! Please let us know when you have a better idea of the Shimenkan, Akatab, Annapurna, Narnoor schedules. I am planning our onboarding schedule and it will be helpful to understand when you anticipate that the releases will land. No rush. Thanks!

jvgaultney commented 2 years ago

Our guess at upcoming releases:

There are also a few others that would be pending an update of the RFN agreement because the names are new or changed:

chrissimpkins commented 2 years ago

Thank you very much Victor!

@RosaWagner Pushed the milestone back to Q2 2023 based on Victor's input above.

jvgaultney commented 1 year ago

Latest update on fonts that are ready to be onboarded and upcoming releases:

Here is a list of the fonts that we can now onboard with the new RFN agreement in place. We've made new GF issues for each. Some of them are scripts that GF doesn't yet support, so let us know if you need additional material such as sample texts.

Here are some of the anticipated releases and updates in the next few months, although the dates often change:

Q3 2023

Q4 2023

Q1 2024

There are some larger projects in the works but we're not yet ready to announce them.

emmamarichal commented 1 year ago

@jvgaultney Thanks a lot for this update Victor! I put these issues in the queue :) I'll tell you if I have any questions!

simoncozens commented 1 year ago

We have reliable text samples for Limbu and New Tai Lue, but I am unconvinced about our Lisu sample so if you have any sample text I would appreciate it!

jvgaultney commented 1 year ago

Here is a short Lisu language sample text - it is a book title "How to prevent many health problems":

ꓠꓻ ꓟꓽ ꓔꓳꓹ ꓜꓳꓽ ꓕꓯꓽˍ ꓡꓰ ꓤ ꓟꓳ ꓢꓲ ꓮ ꓡꓲ ꓐꓰ ꓗꓽ ꓔ ꓠꓯꓹ ꓟ

The text is openly licensed as one of the test texts in the Lisu Bosa project. There are also longer texts there.

simoncozens commented 1 year ago

Thank you. Looking at this, I think the sample text that we have for Lisu (which I now realise was probably taken from @r12a's sample text website) could well be fine. I was unconvinced because I thought that, with the words being so short, it might just be a collection of letters... but it seems like Lisu words just are very short. So I think we shall be OK with the current text, but thank you anyway!

(@r12a: Do you know where you got your Lisu UDHR translation from? Your site quotes Unicode.org and Omniglot, but neither of those seem to actually have Lisu translations, which is another thing which was making me nervous about the sample... Please cite sources where you can!)

r12a commented 1 year ago

@simoncozens it was taken from https://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/fraser-sample.pdf

Thanks for pointing out the lacking source, i'll fix that.

Done.

r12a commented 1 year ago

Btw, my understanding is that Lisu separates syllables (like Vietnamese and Tibetan), rather than words, and uses space for the separator, except for compound nouns, which use a hyphen (see https://r12a.github.io/scripts/lisu/lis#word), so those short-looking words in the sample may just be syllables in a larger word.

chrissimpkins commented 10 months ago

Closing. Let's open per family trackers for any outstanding onboarding that exists in this summary thread.