14 900 125 Greek l.c. edits

dberlow commented 4 years ago

Greek l.c. edits, 14 900 125 These are extrapolations, so i’d not expect ideal results over the style range.

14 900 125 is the 50-50 child of 14 900 100 14 400 125 & 14 400 100 is the default.

the 14 900 125 ufo has originals in background, Edits in foreground.

Glyphs marked as follows: red=shape edits, most related to maintaining angles of terminals and serifs at alignment zones. yellow= changed as composites, via source and accent edits, width and accent positioning also change. green= sigma is probably troubled in 14 900 100 and/or 14 400 125? blue = made side bearing =, matching latin l.c. o.

irenevlachou commented 4 years ago

Thanks David,

thanks for the 14 900 125 and your notes. Here is what I found and updated.

Green:

Lower case sigma: you are right, I had to updated both the 14 400 125 and 14 900 100

Red:

beta: the junction looks too thin I think, so I checked the 14 900 100, and made it heavier by 50% and a tiny bit heavier in the 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again the beta.

delta: looked too narrow so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate delta again.

xi and zeta: both seemed narrow in 14 900 125 so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both zeta and xi.

tau: also looked too narrow so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both tau.

upsilon and psi: the contrast looked a bit weird in the extrapolated 14 900 100, so I reworked in both 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both.

omega: it looked a bit thin, especially on the base so I updated the 14 900 100. Please extrapolate again omega.

Yellow:

dberlow commented 4 years ago

Thanks so much for this. I am finishing 14 900 50, similarly, tonight, 14 100 50 and 14 100 125 will be done tomorrow and gathering all in time for end of week. So I’m hoping to get your comments like this and the minor fixes on the sources to the 4 you did by the end of Friday and then I’ll do a re-extrapolation and synthesize in your additional changes.

On Aug 12, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Irene Vlachou notifications@github.com wrote:

Thanks David,

thanks for the 14 900 125 and your notes. Here is what I found and updated.

Green:

Lower case sigma: you are right, I had to updated both the 14 400 125 and 14 900 100

Red:

beta: the junction looks too thin I think, so I checked the 14 900 100, and made it heavier by 50% and a tiny bit heavier in the 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again the beta.

delta: looked too narrow so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate delta again.

xi and zeta: both seemed narrow in 14 900 125 so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both zeta and xi.

tau: also looked too narrow so I updated the 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both tau.

upsilon and psi: the contrast looked a bit weird in the extrapolated 14 900 100, so I reworked in both 14 900 100 and 14 400 125. Please extrapolate again both.

omega: it looked a bit thin, especially on the base so I updated the 14 900 100. Please extrapolate again omega.

Yellow:

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dberlow commented 4 years ago

Redrawn and spaced Greek U&l.c. are in the sources: opsz14 wght100 wdth 50 opsz14 wght100 wdth 125 opsz14 wght900 wdth 50 opsz14 wght900 wdth 125

Change was also made to U.C. "A", @ opsz14 wght900 wdth 125 and its derivatives, Delta, Lambda and diacritics. Please Build for Irene Review.

irenevlachou commented 4 years ago

Thanks @dberlow and @sannorozco for the update. I found some things that look suspicious so I'll have a more thorough look on the main masters.

opsz14 wght100 wdth 50

alpha: too squarish top right counter, maybe too dark the bottom outstroke
beta: junction too thin
delta: leans forward
zeta: a bump in the middle of the diagonal
theta: too thin top left counter
iota: spacing
kappa: top diagonal too thin
lambda: top instroke looks like a corner
pi: left leg too monolinear
upsilon: counter too close to the top
chi: the left diagonal looks too monolinear
psi: counter too close to the top
omega: balance the countrast

opsz14 wght100 wdth 125

beta: junction too thin
delta: looks a bit unbalanced, a bit falling to the back
epsilon: outside curve, especially top part, is bumpy
zeta: a bump in the middle of the diagonal
theta: too wide?
lambda: top instroke looks like a corner
xi: bottom counter pops to the left too much
rho: too narrow?
chi: the left diagonal looks too monolinear
omega: beautiful :D

opsz14 wght900 wdth 50

alpha: too squarish top left side of the counter
beta: junction too thin
delta: top stroke to short and too much to the left
epsilon: junction has no contrast
zeta: a bump in the middle of the diagonal, the terminal too squarish
iota: spacing
kappa: top diagonal too short
nu : leans forward
xi: toon arrow? the terminal too squarish
sigma: horizontal stroke too short
upsilon: counter too close to the top
chi: the left diagonal looks too monolinear
psi: counter too close to the top
finalsigma: the terminal too squarish

opsz14 wght900 wdth 125

epsilon: outside curve, especially top part, is bumpy
zeta: a bump in the middle of the diagonal, the terminal too squarish
pi: left leg too monolinear
rho: outside curve, especially top part, is bumpy
sigma: horizontal stroke too short
upsilon: bottom left of the counter too squarish
chi: the left diagonal looks too monolinear
psi: bottom left of the counter too squarish
finalsigma: the terminal too squarish

I need to check if home of the mistakes are coming from the "parent" masters, and I'll update them.

irenevlachou commented 3 years ago

20200927-28 Greek WIP commit:

update of Greek GF Core set, based on 12 August comments for:

Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght100-wdth50
Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght100-wdth125
Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght900-wdth50
Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght900-wdth125

also small rename of tonoscmb --> tonoscomb and dieresistonoscmb --> dieresistonoscomb in all main and parametric masters.

simoncozens commented 3 years ago

I tried building Amstelvar today with my own toolchain (as a way to test it), and found that there are still naming issues with some of the glyphs, particularly dieresiscomp (should be dieresiscomb?), dieresistonoscmb (should be dieresistonoscomb?) and tonoscmb (should be tonoscomb?). Here is the full set of warnings that I got:

# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght900-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght900-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght100-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz14-wght100-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght900-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght100-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght900-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresistonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght900-wdth100.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: tonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght900-wdth100.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght900-wdth100.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght100-wdth100.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght100-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresistonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: tonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth50.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresistonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: tonoscmb appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth125.ufo but is not in default
# [warning] Incompatible glyph set: dieresiscomp appears in Amstelvar-Roman-opsz8-wght400-wdth125.ufo but is not in default

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